This episode flips the script as we (Dr. Sara and Dr. Marisa) step into the guest seats on Amin Said's Beyond Adjustments podcast for a conversation that cuts straight through the highlight-reel version of leadership to the messy, beautiful truth underneath.

In This Episode:

This isn't another "10 steps to better team culture" conversation. It's about what happens in those raw Monday moments when your careful systems crack open to reveal the human heart beneath them.

We dove deep into the questions leaders rarely address out loud:

• What actually causes burnout? (Hint: it's not your workload—it's what you're abandoning in yourself to maintain it)
• How do you set expectations without building walls? The delicate dance between kindness and strength that doesn't sacrifice either
• The courage to stop micromanaging—and why letting your team fail might be the most powerful leadership move you'll ever make
• What it really means when someone exits your practice (and why that might be the exact thing both of you need)

We dug deep into those B-words everyone loves to throw around—burnout, boundaries, and balance—and why they're often misunderstood. Rather than wearing exhaustion as a badge of honor, we explored how setting expectations (not just boundaries) and refusing to abandon yourself creates more sustainable success.

The truth? When you're compromising pieces of yourself that were never meant to be given away in the first place, no amount of systems or structure can save you from eventual collapse.

If this conversation stirred something in you, we'd love to continue it. The Heart Work podcast explores these topics and more—giving you permission to be messy, authentic, and wholeheartedly yourself while still building something extraordinary.

Connect with us:

• Instagram: @drsaranelsongray, @dr.marisa.nicole10, @theheartworkpodcast
• Email: support@theheartworklife.com
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Connect with Amin:

• Apple Podcasts: Beyond Adjustments

Instagram:@beyondchirogrowth