这一集我们邀请了曾经攀登过海拔6600米以上山峰的西藏朋友Trenley, 在那一次略带遗憾的攀登中，他扮演的身份不仅只是一个登山者，还是一名向导。我们在这一集当中探讨了攀登高峰以及类似比较危险的极限运动中，人们与自然的关系，与自己的关系，以及与其他人的关系。

这一集是我们杂务间第一季的最后一集，我们制作的这一整季节目并没有熟练的剪辑，完美的话题，以及纯熟的采访技术，这是我们笨拙却真诚制作的一季节目。我们在这一季的节目里也有略带遗憾的时刻。但是登上一座高峰或者登完一座高峰有时候就是有无数次撤退，无数次的崩溃，无数次激动人心的时刻，也有最后那一百米的遗憾。

在此特别地对参与我们节目制作的各位嘉宾表示感谢，我们的节目完全没有经费，完全地用爱发电，感谢各位嘉宾们花费你们宝贵的时间跟我们一起胡闹！

也特别地感谢一直收听节目的各位听众朋友们，感谢你们在我们节目还有很多缺陷的情况下，耐心地收听每一期节目。

感谢每一个参与了给我们出主意提意见的朋友们，节目之所以能坚持下去，是因为汲取的来自你们的能量。是你们让我们看到了，只要真的想要做一件事情，全世界都会帮你！

第二季节目已经在筹备中，我们会听取各方意见，成为大家更好的“口袋朋友”！

万分感谢！

In this episode, we’re joined by our friend Trenley from Tibet, who once climbed a mountain over 6,600 meters high. That climb, while unforgettable, left him with a touch of regret. During this journey, Trenley wasn’t just a climber; he also took on the role of a guide. Together, we explore the relationships people develop with nature, with themselves, and with others while undertaking high-stakes, extreme activities like peak climbing.

This episode marks the end of the first season of 杂务间 (The Storage Room). Our first season doesn’t feature polished editing, perfect topics, or well-honed interviewing skills. This is a season we crafted with sincerity and a bit of awkwardness. There were moments in this season, too, that left us feeling bittersweet. Sometimes, reaching the summit—or the journey to a summit—is filled with countless retreats, breakdowns, exhilarating highs, and perhaps, regrets in those final hundred meters.

We extend heartfelt thanks to all the guests who participated in our program. Our show operates with zero budget and relies entirely on passion. Thank you to every guest for spending your precious time joining in on our playful journey!

And a special thank you to all our listeners who have been with us each episode, patiently tuning in despite our many rough edges. Your support means the world to us.

Thanks also to everyone who shared ideas and gave us feedback. This show has continued because of the energy we draw from you. You’ve shown us that if you truly want to accomplish something, the world will lend a hand.

Our second season is in the works, and we’re listening to all the feedback to become your best “pocket friend.”

Endless thanks!

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Linsey在抖音的ID：linseywillmakeit

Mark在抖音的ID：MarkieMark

末日离我们有多远？灾难离我们有多远？本集邀请的嘉宾Danielle是经过实训的人类，她在本集中跟我们分享了日常防灾小知识，新嘉宾Dean也分享了他作为末世生存狂人曾经准备的物资，Mark作为一个居安思危的人类，帮助我们剖析了准备的意义。末日准备听起来是不理智的，但是真正发生灾害的时候，这些准备才会有它们存在的意义吧！中国古话说：人无远虑，必有近忧。在这一点上我们还真的没有太大的文化差异。

How far are we from the apocalypse? How close is disaster? In this episode, our guest Danielle, a trained professional in disaster preparedness, shares some everyday tips for disaster prevention. New guest Dean talks about the supplies he prepared as an apocalypse survival enthusiast. Mark, as someone who thinks ahead, helps us analyze the significance of being prepared. While preparing for the end of the world may sound irrational, these preparations truly find their meaning when a disaster strikes! As the Chinese saying goes, "Without long-term planning, there will surely be immediate worries." In this regard, we really don't have much cultural difference.

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Mark在抖音的ID：MarkieMark

什么！Frank这个人居然从这么有名的学校毕业！

什么！Frank居然是渣男？

什么！Frank万一要生个娃还能算犯了重婚罪！

在美国呆了12年的Frank浅谈了一下他和妻子作为大学情侣经历的小风小浪以及之后的人生经历的风浪，目前处在人生黄金期的Frank毫无疑问是会做出最适合自己的选择的人。

What! Frank actually graduated from such a famous school!

What! Frank is a player?

What! If Frank were to have a child, could he even be accused of bigamy?

这一期的嘉宾Frank年纪轻轻，却早已是网络行业的过来人，他帮助我们理解了很多新的概念，比如不会塌房的Vtuber，给用户提供定制化的体验，比如自己成为一个创作团队，自己通过AI打造无版权音乐以及音画，Frank从细数SEO（search engine optimization）到AI editing，帮助我们理清了思路，并给我们提供了成为网红的具体操作细节。（是的，你没听错！）与此同时，对于内容创作者而言，“迎合流量还是做自己”这样的困境也能够逐渐通过合理使用AI而得到解决。我们录下这一期节目的同时，也录下了一个关于“五年后社交媒体会变成什么样？”的预言，不知道是谁会变成那个预言家呢？

In this episode, we’re joined by Frank, who, despite his young age, is already a seasoned professional in the online industry. He helps us understand a range of new concepts, like the idea of a “scandal-proof” Vtuber and how to provide users with a highly personalized experience. Frank shares how creators can become their own creative team, using AI to produce copyright-free music, visuals, and more. From the ins and outs of SEO (search engine optimization) to AI editing, he guides us through the roadmap to becoming an influencer, offering practical, step-by-step advice. (Yes, you heard that right!)

At the same time, Frank tackles a common dilemma for content creators: whether to cater to trends or stay true to themselves. He explains how, with the smart use of AI, this tension can be managed and even reconciled. As we recorded this episode, we also captured our thoughts on a big question: “What will social media look like in five years?” Who knows? Maybe one of us will turn out to be a true prophet.

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Linsey在抖音的ID：linseywillmakeit

Mark在抖音的ID：MarkieMark

人类对于自己剖析就如剥洋葱，一层一层剥下来，往往还没有剥到核心就已经泪流满面，在相对复杂的家庭关系中长大的人多多少少都有一些悲伤的底色，Misha在这一集里面袒露心声，向我们讲述了他成长中的困惑，但也因为这些困惑，Misha在他的人生里面也勇敢的迈出一步又一步去治愈自己。

Human self-reflection is much like peeling an onion—layer by layer, and often tears begin to flow before reaching the core. Those who grow up in relatively complex family relationships often carry a tint of sadness within them. In this episode, Misha opens up, sharing the confusion he faced during his upbringing. However, it is precisely these struggles that pushed him to take brave steps, one after another, toward healing himself.

本集的嘉宾MIsha因为有着混血的长相，从小就经历过不少被歧视的瞬间，在这一集当中，我们聊一聊assumption，racism，discrimination以及bias的异同，通过Misha的经历，我们甚至看到了歧视与逆向歧视之间隐约藏着的身份认同危机。歧视是无法消除的，这些年盛行的PC（political correctness）在歧视这一块，究竟是起到了什么样的作用？和我们一起讨论吧！

In this episode, our guest Misha, who has a mixed-race appearance, shares moments from his life where he experienced discrimination from a young age. We explore the differences between assumptions, racism, discrimination, and bias. Through Misha’s experiences, we even glimpse the identity crisis subtly hidden between discrimination and reverse discrimination. Discrimination cannot be fully eradicated, but what role has the rise of political correctness (PC) played in this area over the years? Join us for this discussion!

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Linsey在抖音的ID：linseywillmakeit

Mark在抖音的ID：MarkieMark

来自Sunny Florida的JUJU并不是我们看到的被脸谱化的高知女性，她充满了活力，也经历过悲伤，在人生的这个阶段回望，JUJU分享了她和抑郁的相处历程，也分享了她对“变老”这件事情的看法，制作节目的时候JUJU所在地区经历着飓风，JUJU的视频也分享了她如何准备对抗灾害，然后收拾灾后残局的过程，这是多有趣的一个妙人儿啊！

JUJU, hailing from sunny Florida, is not the stereotypical intellectual woman we often see. She’s full of energy and has also experienced sadness. At this stage of her life, looking back, JUJU shares her journey of coping with depression and her thoughts on the concept of "aging." While producing this episode, JUJU’s area was hit by a hurricane, and her videos also show how she prepared to face the disaster and how she dealt with the aftermath. What an interesting and remarkable person she is!

本集我们邀请到了著名英语主播JUJU，她曾被Linsey取了一个绰号叫“哭哭侠”——流最多的泪，帮最多的人。JUJU在本集中真情流露，讲述了她对共情能力的理解。共情是一种能力，但这种能力似乎也不会在所有场合都适用，工作场合过多的产生了共情似乎只会让局面更难以收拾。要如何清醒的使用共情这个能力，似乎也是当代人类的必修课了。

In this episode, we are joined by the renowned English streamer JUJU, who was once nicknamed "Crying Warrior" by Linsey—she sheds the most tears and helps the most people. In this episode, JUJU opens up and shares her understanding of empathy. Empathy is a skill, but it doesn't seem to be suitable for all situations. In the workplace, too much empathy can sometimes make things even harder to manage. Learning how to use empathy wisely seems to have become a must-learn lesson for modern humans.

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Mark在抖音的ID：MarkieMark