• 📆 ThursdAI - Nov 21 - The fight for the LLM throne, OSS SOTA from AllenAI, Flux new tools, Deepseek R1 reasoning & more AI news

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📆 ThursdAI - Nov 21 - The fight for the LLM throne, OSS SOTA from AllenAI, Flux new tools, Deepseek R1 reasoning & more AI news

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  • Hey folks, Alex here, and oof what a 🔥🔥🔥 show we had today! I got to use my new breaking news button 3 times this show! And not only that, some of you may know that one of the absolutely biggest pleasures as a host, is to feature the folks who actually make the news on the show!And now that we're in video format, you actually get to see who they are! So this week I was honored to welcome back our friend and co-host Junyang Lin, a Dev Lead from the Alibaba Qwen team, who came back after launching the incredible Qwen Coder 2.5, and Qwen 2.5 Turbo with 1M context.We also had breaking news on the show that AI2 (Allen Institute for AI) has fully released SOTA LLama post-trained models, and I was very lucky to get the core contributor on the paper, Nathan Lambert to join us live and tell us all about this amazing open source effort! You don't want to miss this conversation!Lastly, we chatted with the CEO of StackBlitz, Eric Simons, about the absolutely incredible lightning in the bottle success of their latest bolt.new product, how it opens a new category of code generator related tools.00:00 Introduction and Welcome00:58 Meet the Hosts and Guests02:28 TLDR Overview03:21 Tl;DR04:10 Big Companies and APIs07:47 Agent News and Announcements08:05 Voice and Audio Updates08:48 AR, Art, and Diffusion11:02 Deep Dive into Mistral and Pixtral29:28 Interview with Nathan Lambert from AI230:23 Live Reaction to Tulu 3 Release30:50 Deep Dive into Tulu 3 Features32:45 Open Source Commitment and Community Impact33:13 Exploring the Released Artifacts33:55 Detailed Breakdown of Datasets and Models37:03 Motivation Behind Open Source38:02 Q&A Session with the Community38:52 Summarizing Key Insights and Future Directions40:15 Discussion on Long Context Understanding41:52 Closing Remarks and Acknowledgements44:38 Transition to Big Companies and APIs45:03 Weights & Biases: This Week's Buzz01:02:50 Mistral's New Features and Upgrades01:07:00 Introduction to DeepSeek and the Whale Giant01:07:44 DeepSeek's Technological Achievements01:08:02 Open Source Models and API Announcement01:09:32 DeepSeek's Reasoning Capabilities01:12:07 Scaling Laws and Future Predictions01:14:13 Interview with Eric from Bolt01:14:41 Breaking News: Gemini Experimental01:17:26 Interview with Eric Simons - CEO @ Stackblitz01:19:39 Live Demo of Bolt's Capabilities01:36:17 Black Forest Labs AI Art Tools01:40:45 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsAs always, the show notes and TL;DR with all the links I mentioned on the show and the full news roundup below the main new recap 👇Google & OpenAI fighting for the LMArena crown 👑I wanted to open with this, as last week I reported that Gemini Exp 1114 has taken over #1 in the LMArena, in less than a week, we saw a new ChatGPT release, called GPT-4o-2024-11-20 reclaim the arena #1 spot!Focusing specifically on creating writing, this new model, that's now deployed on chat.com and in the API, is definitely more creative according to many folks who've tried it, with OpenAI employees saying "expect qualitative improvements with more natural and engaging writing, thoroughness and readability" and indeed that's what my feed was reporting as well.I also wanted to mention here, that we've seen this happen once before, last time Gemini peaked at the LMArena, it took less than a week for OpenAI to release and test a model that beat it.But not this time, this time Google came prepared with an answer!Just as we were wrapping up the show (again, Logan apparently loves dropping things at the end of ThursdAI), we got breaking news that there is YET another experimental model from Google, called Gemini Exp 1121, and apparently, it reclaims the stolen #1 position, that chatGPT reclaimed from Gemini... yesterday! Or at least joins it at #1LMArena Fatigue?Many folks in my DMs are getting a bit frustrated with these marketing tactics, not only the fact that we're getting experimental models faster than we can test them, but also with the fact that if you think about it, this was probably a calculated move by Google. Release a very powerful checkpoint, knowing that this will trigger a response from OpenAI, but don't release your most powerful one. OpenAI predictably releases their own "ready to go" checkpoint to show they are ahead, then folks at Google wait and release what they wanted to release in the first place.The other frustration point is, the over-indexing of the major labs on the LMArena human metrics, as the closest approximation for "best". For example, here's some analysis from Artificial Analysis showing that the while the latest ChatGPT is indeed better at creative writing (and #1 in the Arena, where humans vote answers against each other), it's gotten actively worse at MATH and coding from the August version (which could be a result of being a distilled much smaller version) .In summary, maybe the LMArena is no longer 1 arena is all you need, but the competition at the TOP scores of the Arena has never been ...
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Hey folks, Alex here, and oof what a 🔥🔥🔥 show we had today! I got to use my new breaking news button 3 times this show! And not only that, some of you may know that one of the absolutely biggest pleasures as a host, is to feature the folks who actually make the news on the show!And now that we're in video format, you actually get to see who they are! So this week I was honored to welcome back our friend and co-host Junyang Lin, a Dev Lead from the Alibaba Qwen team, who came back after launching the incredible Qwen Coder 2.5, and Qwen 2.5 Turbo with 1M context.We also had breaking news on the show that AI2 (Allen Institute for AI) has fully released SOTA LLama post-trained models, and I was very lucky to get the core contributor on the paper, Nathan Lambert to join us live and tell us all about this amazing open source effort! You don't want to miss this conversation!Lastly, we chatted with the CEO of StackBlitz, Eric Simons, about the absolutely incredible lightning in the bottle success of their latest bolt.new product, how it opens a new category of code generator related tools.00:00 Introduction and Welcome00:58 Meet the Hosts and Guests02:28 TLDR Overview03:21 Tl;DR04:10 Big Companies and APIs07:47 Agent News and Announcements08:05 Voice and Audio Updates08:48 AR, Art, and Diffusion11:02 Deep Dive into Mistral and Pixtral29:28 Interview with Nathan Lambert from AI230:23 Live Reaction to Tulu 3 Release30:50 Deep Dive into Tulu 3 Features32:45 Open Source Commitment and Community Impact33:13 Exploring the Released Artifacts33:55 Detailed Breakdown of Datasets and Models37:03 Motivation Behind Open Source38:02 Q&A Session with the Community38:52 Summarizing Key Insights and Future Directions40:15 Discussion on Long Context Understanding41:52 Closing Remarks and Acknowledgements44:38 Transition to Big Companies and APIs45:03 Weights & Biases: This Week's Buzz01:02:50 Mistral's New Features and Upgrades01:07:00 Introduction to DeepSeek and the Whale Giant01:07:44 DeepSeek's Technological Achievements01:08:02 Open Source Models and API Announcement01:09:32 DeepSeek's Reasoning Capabilities01:12:07 Scaling Laws and Future Predictions01:14:13 Interview with Eric from Bolt01:14:41 Breaking News: Gemini Experimental01:17:26 Interview with Eric Simons - CEO @ Stackblitz01:19:39 Live Demo of Bolt's Capabilities01:36:17 Black Forest Labs AI Art Tools01:40:45 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsAs always, the show notes and TL;DR with all the links I mentioned on the show and the full news roundup below the main new recap 👇Google & OpenAI fighting for the LMArena crown 👑I wanted to open with this, as last week I reported that Gemini Exp 1114 has taken over #1 in the LMArena, in less than a week, we saw a new ChatGPT release, called GPT-4o-2024-11-20 reclaim the arena #1 spot!Focusing specifically on creating writing, this new model, that's now deployed on chat.com and in the API, is definitely more creative according to many folks who've tried it, with OpenAI employees saying "expect qualitative improvements with more natural and engaging writing, thoroughness and readability" and indeed that's what my feed was reporting as well.I also wanted to mention here, that we've seen this happen once before, last time Gemini peaked at the LMArena, it took less than a week for OpenAI to release and test a model that beat it.But not this time, this time Google came prepared with an answer!Just as we were wrapping up the show (again, Logan apparently loves dropping things at the end of ThursdAI), we got breaking news that there is YET another experimental model from Google, called Gemini Exp 1121, and apparently, it reclaims the stolen #1 position, that chatGPT reclaimed from Gemini... yesterday! Or at least joins it at #1LMArena Fatigue?Many folks in my DMs are getting a bit frustrated with these marketing tactics, not only the fact that we're getting experimental models faster than we can test them, but also with the fact that if you think about it, this was probably a calculated move by Google. Release a very powerful checkpoint, knowing that this will trigger a response from OpenAI, but don't release your most powerful one. OpenAI predictably releases their own "ready to go" checkpoint to show they are ahead, then folks at Google wait and release what they wanted to release in the first place.The other frustration point is, the over-indexing of the major labs on the LMArena human metrics, as the closest approximation for "best". For example, here's some analysis from Artificial Analysis showing that the while the latest ChatGPT is indeed better at creative writing (and #1 in the Arena, where humans vote answers against each other), it's gotten actively worse at MATH and coding from the August version (which could be a result of being a distilled much smaller version) .In summary, maybe the LMArena is no longer 1 arena is all you need, but the competition at the TOP scores of the Arena has never been ...
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