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In this episode Bravebirds Sarah Oakley and Lucy Burgess both talk about challenges they have faced and why in both cases they felt very much unheard. We discuss Sarah’s shock at having to become a carer for her husband and son and how she has dealt with it. We also talk about Lucy’ insanely hard decision to take her son and leave her daughter behind and how they are now both able to speak out and be brave! “And my situation's not different to anyone else's situation. We all have times where we need to find that courage for one reason or another because you have to find your way out. But yeah, sometimes we don't see that. It's not in public, it's in private, right. So that's why I think this podcast is so good “cause people say, ‘well, that actually happened to me’. And it’s ‘cause I think often the other thing about hard times is you feel ashamed. You feel embarrassed. Like for me, I felt embarrassed that I wasn't coping with it. Like, I've got a background in kind of psychological coaching wellbeing, working with top companies, helping them improve their performance, right but in my personal home situation, I felt like I was failing, you know?” ABOUT THE GUEST - SARAH & LUCY Not all superheroes wear their pants on the outside. Sarah Oakley and Lucy Burgess are on a mission to inspire every day she-ros to find their bravery through hard times. CONNECT WITH BRAVEBIRD: TO SHOP THE PANTS: https://www.bravebird.club TO LISTEN TO THE BRAVE BIRD CLUB PODCAST: https://podfollow.com/bravebirdclub OUR SOCIALS: https://www.instagram.com/bravebirdclub/ https://www.facebook.com/bravebirdclub/ https://www.twitter.com/bravebirdclub/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahoakleyprofessional/ Name That Tune Songs: I NEED A DOCTOR - Dr Dre https://amzn.to/3BJyZdz LA LA LA - Sam Smith https://amzn.to/3zYyISL ABOUT THE HOST - EVE HORNE Eve Horne is an Award Winning Singer, songwriter, producer, sound engineer, podcast producer and more recently, a creative transformational coach, Mentor and Advisor. She has over 20 years experience in the Music Industry and is founder of PeakMusicUK and the UNHEARD Campaign which demands equality for women in the Music Industry. Eve helps women to realign their vision and realise their potential through her unique programme that combines creativity and mental well-being. Eve is passionate about unlocking the ‘forgotten you’ and clearing those subconscious blocks so that each woman can remember her worth, regain her confidence and achieve inner success. Eve is also co-author of children’s book “How Nova Got The star In Her Eye” a beautiful children’s picture book about an interracial, same sex couple and their journey to becoming a family! A book can help educate all families! https://amzn.to/3wz9NSw If you need a podcast producer, need mentoring 1-2-1 training or advice on singing, songwriting or production, or you are curious about my Rewire program to build confidence. Reconnect you to your younger self reignite, your passion and realign your journey, you can book a complimentary 30 minute call via my website www.peakmusic.uk. If you want to get back on track, feel free to give me a call today. And let's get chatting. Also, if you would like to support the We Are The Unheard campaign to help young women get trained in songwriting and music production, please grab yourself a T-shirt here: https://www.peakmusic.uk/about-4 CONNECT WITH EVE: https://www.facebook.com/WeAreTheUnheardPodcastGroup https://www.linkedin.com https://www.facebook.com/wearepeakmusicUK https://www.facebook.com/EveHorne https://www.instagram.com/WeAreTheUnheard https://www.instagram.com/EveHorne https://www.instagram.com/PeakMusicUK https://www.joinclubhouse.com/@evehorne https://www.youtube.com/PeakMusicUK https://linktr.ee/PEAKMusicUK Sontronics Podcast Pro Mic: https://amzn.to/3yhUWvH RED https://amzn.to/2WIiSuy GOLD https://amzn.to/2WDiqgV GREEN https://amzn.to/3rK9l1o SILVER https://amzn.to/3rO8DA4 BLUE https://amzn.to/3ym3sds PURPLE HOSTED BY: Eve Horne