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In this episode, we sit down with Brian, who shares his powerful journey through nearly four years of sobriety. Brian opens up about the brutal depths his addiction took him, and what it finally took for him to get clean.

But his story takes a turn — even after spending a full year in treatment, he relapsed almost immediately upon leaving. Why? That’s what we dig into. Brian reflects on his lack of willingness during that time and the truth he wasn’t ready to face.

Joining us is Nicole, who was Brian’s therapist during his original treatment stay back in 2017. She offers insight into what might have been missing, the patterns she saw, and why sometimes relapse is part of the journey — not the end of it.

This is a real, honest look at what recovery really takes, and why simply being in treatment isn’t enough if you’re not willing to do the inner work.

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