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In this episode of Parents vs. The Internet, Esther Ghey and the Mail’s Liz Hull are joined by Hannah Oertel, the founder of Delay Smartphones. Hannah, Esther and Liz discuss how smartphones prevent children from learning to socialise properly and from being emotionally equipped to deal with the world around them; why parents should be more worried about ‘stranger danger’ online than in the real world; and, why Hannah has told her children they won’t be getting a smartphone until they’re 21… Hosts: Esther Ghey and Liz Hull Producer: Max Bower Editor: Silas Gray Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini Executive Producer: Bella Soames Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices