The second half of my conversation with Ayo and Tondé continues exploring the issues that are top of mind for so many people around the world - race and diversity.

Climbing has given us tools to overcome challenges, mentally and physically, It's time to draw on those skills and apply them to the issue of racism. We, as people in society, can make a difference.

Please join me in a conversation that is not always easy to have, but must be carried on in order to continue to bring awareness and ultimately, positive growth.

My guests this week are Ayo Sopeju and Tondé Katiyo.

They help me get into the issue that is top of mind for so many people around the world - race and diversity.

Does the climbing community have problems surrounding race that need to be fixed? Can we separate climbing from society as a whole? Do we need to create change?

Please join me in a conversation that is not always easy to have, but must be carried on in order to continue to bring awareness and ultimately, positive growth.

My guest for this episode is the godfather of indoor climbing in Canada, the founder of Joe Rockhead's climbing gym, the first gym in the country, Bob Bergman.

Bob has been there, and done that. From his early days in the Canadian climbing scene, to international competition, and his legacy - Joe Rockheads - you cannot talk about climbing without talking about Bob.