Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom!

As we were preparing for our next podcast, former President Donald Trump survived an assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania. One bullet grazed his right ear and bullets struck three people in the audience. One died and two others were seriously wounded. In this episode, Lamar and Tom talk about the escalation of violent rhetoric in the 2024 U.S. Presidential campaign and the need to turn down the temperature by choosing our words and language more carefully. They discuss four suggestions for making this campaign more civil in the wake of the Trump assassination attempt, offered by Luke Hallam in his Persuasion article titled How to Walk Back from the Brink - https://www.persuasion.community/p/how-to-walk-back-from-the-brink?r=5pobe&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

Learn more:

The following links are to articles, podcasts, and videos related to today’s topic.

• What DO we Want from Our Leaders? By Tom Klaus, in Change It Up! From Tenacious Change - https://open.substack.com/pub/tenaciouschange/p/what-do-we-want-in-our-leaders?r=5pobe&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

• Our Conversation with Seth Kaplan from early in Season 2 - https://youtu.be/inuF2UYS4oY?si=mw6jLeNSZUF89yWP

• Our most recent podcast, S2E13, on the Excel Shooting - https://youtu.be/tgRFux1EtWQ

• Rachel Kleinfeld on the Attempted Assassination of Donald Trump and the Rise of Political Violence in America - https://yaschamounk.substack.com/p/kleinfeld2?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

• An interesting, and mostly 3rd Space, conversation between Jon Stewart and Bill O’Reilly on The Daily Show after the Trump assassination attempt. https://youtu.be/h7qZE4C_neo?si=a7ZjJTDAsevxBGeL

Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space

Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b

Meet Lamar & Tom

Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.

To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com.

Credits:

• Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus

• Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI

• Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com.

• Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2024 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved

• For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com.

No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! CONTENT ADVISORY: THIS EPISODE OF GETTING TO 3RD SPACE WITH LAMAR AND TOM DISCUSSES A MASS SHOOTING, WITH FATALITIES, AND ITS AFTERMATH. On February 25, 2016, Lamar Roth, cohost of Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom, was Director of Human Resources for Excel Manufacturing in Hesston, Kansas. Cedric Ford, an Excel employee, entered the building and began shooting. That day four people died, including Cedric, more than a dozen others were wounded, and many, many more in Hesston, Kansas were traumatized by the events. In this podcast, and the next episode, Lamar and Tom talk about the mass shooting. We realize this may not be an easy topic for some of our listeners. If, by watching or listening to this podcast, you are affected and need to talk with someone, we encourage you to call or text 988 or go online to the 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. Learn more: Hesston Shootings (Wikipedia) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesston_shootings Officials: Four dead, 14 wounded in shooting at Excel Industries in Hesston - https://www.ksn.com/news/officials-four-dead-14-wounded-in-shooting-at-excel-industries-in-hesston/ Police Chief who killed active shooter speaks publicly (includes a timeline) - https://apnews.com/e6063286b32a4f8cba87e3bb18fa3cca

Shooting at Excel Industries: Looking Back & Moving Forward -https://www.rurallifestyledealer.com/blogs/1-from-the-desk-of-rld/post/8222-shooting-at-excel-industries-looking-back-moving-forward Hesston community remembers Excel shooting five years later - https://www.kwch.com/2021/02/25/hesston-community-remembers-excel-shooting-5-years-later/ Victory in gun dealer lawsuit: Global $2 million settlement reached with gun dealer who transferred firearms used in Excel Industries mass shooting - https://www.bradyunited.org/about-us/press/two-million-dollar-settlement-reached-with-gun-dealer-who-transferred-firearms-used-in-mass-shooting To watch the 2020 interview with Lamar Roth - Leading Through Traumatic Disruptive Events: A Conversation with Lamar Roth - https://youtu.be/3sEUEjUgINc?si=tkYAr7z0sJZyQG8V Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus

Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI

Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2024 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film, but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.

Lamar and Tom talk with Kansas State Senator Carolyn McGinn

In today’s podcast Lamar and Tom welcome Kansas State Senator Carolyn McGinn. Senator McGinn has represented the 31st District as a Republican since 2005. Prior to serving in the Kansas Senate, she was a Sedgwick County Commissioner. She and her husband, Mark, own and operate McGinn’s Grapes and Grain, a family farm outside of Wichita, Kansas.

In 2012 Senator McGinn was one of nine Kansas senators whose seats were targeted by members of the “Right Wing” of the Republican party. She was the only one who was able to retain her seat.

In January 2025, Carolyn McGinn will retire from some 26 years in political life. She and Mark will focus their retirement on using their farm to promote agri-tourism. In this interview she reflects on her years in public service and talks with Lamar and Tom about the importance of civil dialogue and discussion in passing legislation to benefit communities.

Learn more about Carolyn McGinn:

• McGinn’s Grapes and Grain - https://www.grapesngrains.farm/

• Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_McGinn

• Carolyn McGinn’s campaign and senate website - https://workingforkansas.com/about/

Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space

Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b

Meet Lamar & Tom

Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.

To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com.

Credits:

• Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus

• Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI

• Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com.

• Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2024 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved

• For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com.

No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom!

If you are in the United States, it is a holiday (Memorial Day). Tom’s out chasing a golf ball around a local golf course and Lamar is out taking more beautiful photos. At least, that’s what we hope we are doing today. In our absence, we are offering a redux of one of our earliest podcasts from October 21, 2023. We titled it Barriers, Bears, and Gummy Bears.

We won’t say it is a “Best of” Getting to Third Space because we were still learning a lot about doing a podcast. However, the topic is important because it focuses on the barriers that often prevent us from having difficult but important conversations with family, friends, and peers.The barriers we consider are internal barriers - those attitudes, ideas, expectations, even beliefs we hold - that may hold us back from engaging in civil conversation with people whose ideas, opinions, experiences, and lives are different from our own. Then we offer four guidelines for overcoming or “checking” those barriers to make it easier to engage others.

Finally, we talk about bears. :-)

We hope you enjoy hearing it again (or for the first time). And we hope you are doing something relaxing and fun today as well…whether it is a holiday or not where you live. We’ll be back with a new podcast on June 10th. See you then!

Learn more:

Links to items related to the show, for example:

• Fat Bear Week: https://www.nps.gov/katm/learn/fat-bear-week-2023.htm

• A Bear Walks into a Store: https://youtu.be/_oqSTpFStvs?si=TvHTv50BWXrqyraO

Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space

Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b

Meet Lamar & Tom

Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.

To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com.

Credits:

• Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus

• Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI

• Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com.

• Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2024 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved

• For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com.

No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom!

In this podcast Lamar and Tom tackle the subject of perception and reality. They talk about how one’s perception informs, even creates, their reality and how that can impact one’s credibility in dialogue and conversation.

Learn more:

Links to items related to the show, for example:

• What we know: South Carolina's SEC tourney ends with fight, multiple ejections (ESPN) https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39703311/south-carolina-lsu-fight-sec-women-ncaa-tournament-kamilla-cardoso

• Katie Britt Accused of Misleading Statement in State of the Union Response (CBS News) - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/katie-britt-state-of-the-union-response-misleading-statements/

• The Story of Iconic Photos: Lunch Atop a Skyscraper (Printique) - https://www.printique.com/blog/the-story-of-iconic-photos-lunch-atop-a-skyscraper/#:~:text=The%20photograph%20isn't%20even,certainly%20not%20a%20regular%20occurrence

• A Comedian’s Take on How to Save Democracy (Jordan Klepper TED Talk) - https://youtu.be/bUmHABnk9FY?si=HPTtpeV1NcloWfR5

Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space

Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b

Meet Lamar & Tom

Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.

To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com.

Credits:

• Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus

• Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI

• Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com.

• Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2024 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved

• For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com.

No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.