In our Final episode, we embark on a historical and spiritual odyssey with our distinguished guest unveiling the intricate weave of his family's saga, from a daring emigration from Ireland to the dusty tracks of Jamestown's railways.

Hear the echoes of their lineage, resonating through tales of love and faith that bloom amidst the arduous transition to a new world.

Together, we'll trace the evolution of belief as Paul recounts an upbringing under the Jehovah's Witnesses' teachings, and Ian shares insights from his Anglican heritage, setting the stage for a riveting dialogue on the profound influence of religion on one's journey through life.

Venture into the world of politics, where the battle for the separation of church and state emerges as a pivotal moment in Ian's parliamentary career.

Our guest's narrative intertwines with his own as we recount the unexpected alliances and friendships forged across the political divide, underscoring the essence of tolerance and open-mindedness in sculpting a resilient democracy.

We'll reflect on our political legacies and the indelible marks we've aspired to leave on the fabric of society, inviting you to ponder the true impact of a life in public service.

Finally, immerse yourself in a conversation that delves into the significance of reform within the prison system, highlighting the story of Alan, whose death sparked an unprecedented inmate-led political campaign.

We tackle the crucial issues of prisoners' voting rights, rehabilitation, and the stark contrasts between international penal approaches.

Shifting gears, we pay homage to the timeless influence of classical music and the indelible mark left by individuals who have transcended their challenging pasts to inspire generations.

Ian pays respect and homage to Lowitja O'Donoghue AC CBE DSG (August 1932 – 4 February 2024), also known as Lois O'Donoghue and Lois Smart, she was an Australian public administrator and Indigenous rights advocate.

She was the inaugural chairperson of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission (ATSIC) from 1990 to 1996. She is known for her work in improving the health and welfare of Indigenous Australians, and also for the part she played in the drafting of the Native Title Act 1993, which established native title in Australia.

As we bid farewell to a remarkable guest, we set the stage with a soothing musical interlude, inviting you to join us once again for another enriching exchange.

Chapters Summaries

(00:00) Family Histories and Religious Affiliations

Family history, emigration from Ireland, railway work, religious upbringing, and impact of beliefs on personal development.

(04:46) Advocacy in South Australia

Separation of church and state, unexpected agreement from Family First minister, political relationships, goodwill and tolerance, pride and challenges of political service.

(14:37) Prison Reform and Rehabilitation Challenges

Alan's transformative role in prison, inmates' right to vote, societal attitudes towards punishment and rehabilitation, and the importance of arts and creativity.

(20:07) Musical Legacy and Influence

Bach's enduring legacy, power of historical speeches, and tribute to a remarkable individual who left a legacy of love and unity.

(26:54) Thanking a Special Guest

Gratitude for a remarkable woman Lois O'Donoghue, relaxation with music, and an upcoming podcast with Paul and a special guest.

CREDITS

Host: Paul Rowse

Guest: Ian Gilfillan

Producer: Ron Fiedler Podcast City