On this week’s episode of the Intentional Churches podcast, pastor Tom Kopp joins Erin and Doug to share the inspiring transformation of Kimball Christian Church in rural Minnesota. Despite being located in a town of just 800, the church has become one of the largest churches in the restoration movement in the state, defying expectations through a strong vision and a deep commitment to The Great Commission.

In this candid conversation, Tom unpacks how focusing on church culture, casting a consistent vision, and making small yet intentional shifts can lead to an outsized impact. From implementing the “three-minute rule” for welcoming guests to celebrating baptisms churchwide, Tom shares practical strategies that any church can adopt, regardless of size.

Together, the three also discuss Tom’s involvement in a ChurchOS One Team cohort, which has catalyzed a new wave of mission-minded leadership among churches across Minnesota. With humor, wisdom, and hard-earned insight, this episode offers a blueprint for revitalization and unity in small church contexts, all while keeping the focus on reaching the one.

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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Three-Minute Rule: A Culture of Guest Awareness
01:29 Tom’s Ministry Background and Family
04:05 Small-Town Ministry in Kimball, Minnesota
07:49 A 150-Year Legacy and New Growth
09:51 Building a Culture of Joy and Evangelism
12:56 Navigating Growth Resistance
15:32 Dripping Vision Weekly
17:08 The Drift Toward Inward Focus
19:30 ChurchOS Cohort Impact in Minnesota
22:37 Tangible Church Growth and Baptism Stories
26:31 Practical Tips for Churches Starting the Journey
29:17 Personal Connection Over Systems
32:17 Preaching for Transformation
33:08 What Large Churches Can Learn from Small Churches

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Eric Rauch from 2|42 Church joins Doug and Erin for this week’s Intentional Churches conversation—exploring what it means to lead churches through a true disciple-making transformation. Together the three share honest reflections, practical adjustments, and philosophical shifts away from attractional church models and toward multiplying disciples.

The episode explores how both 2|42 and Erin’s church, Canyon Ridge, are redefining what it means to lead congregations into spiritual maturity and mission. They discuss practical shifts—from canceling outdated programs to redesigning volunteer engagement—and offer a window into the tough but rewarding process of redefining metrics and expectations.

Plus Eric shares how his team made it harder, not easier, to get baptized—shifting from events to journeys. Finally they look at what happens when churches stop simply informing and start truly equipping—using tools, powerful questions, and active collaboration to multiply disciples who will be the hands and feet of Jesus.

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CHAPTERS:
00:00 No More "Versus": Discipleship and Evangelism
01:06 Meet Eric Rauch from 2|42 Church
04:21 2|42's Multi-Site History and Cultural Dynamics
06:20 Adopting Three Churches Pre-COVID
07:57 Redefining Disciple-Making and Evangelism
10:26 From Attractional to Multiplying Movement
14:33 Why Make the Shift? Leadership Insights
16:37 Tangible Program and Strategy Changes
20:49 Rethinking Group Models: The Kitchen Metaphor
23:29 Discovery Bible Study as Group Strategy
24:56 Rethinking Engagement Pathways
30:27 Volunteer Orientation and Retention
32:10 Baptism: Event to Journey
35:28 Highlights from the IC Conference Pre-Con
38:28 Biggest Takeaways and Collaborative Learning
41:35 Final Thoughts on Collaboration and Next Steps

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Dr. Carlos Kelly, Senior Pastor of Beulahland Bible Church in Middle Georgia, joins Erin and Doug for a candid conversation on shifting church culture from consumerism to intentional evangelism and discipleship. With over 26 years in ministry and a legacy-rich church behind him, Dr. Kelly explains how Beulahland’s engagement with ChurchOS has reignited his pastoral passion and started that culture shift away from consumer Christianity.

Together the three talk about the challenges of pastoring in a food desert—where Carlos’ church has become a vital source of basic needs like food and community support. Through strategic clarity, patient leadership, and collaboration with a steering team, Beulahland is seeing younger demographics, especially those ages 18–35, engage at unprecedented levels.

Carlos also discusses the impact of defining clear reach zones for each campus, redesigning the church’s web presence through the lens of “the one,” and creating representation of young adults in leadership and communication roles. If you're a church leader navigating change, this episode offers encouragement, strategic wisdom, and a powerful testimony of what God can do through intentional, Spirit-led planning and teamwork.

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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Dr. Carlos Kelly Introduction
01:15 Beulahland’s Legacy and Community Impact
05:40 What It Means to Serve in a Food Desert
07:27 Moving from Consumerism to Discipleship
11:48 Practical First Steps Toward Culture Shift
14:51 Fruit from a Younger Generation
19:03 Braxton’s Journey from Attender to Leader
23:12 Shifting from Solo Leadership to Collaboration
29:44 Building the Right Steering Team
33:25 Defining Success and Discipleship Culture
36:06 Two Campuses, Two Reach Zones
37:56 Leading Through Resistance and Grief

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