In this compelling two-part interview with renowned attorney Bryan Stevenson, founder and Executive Director of the Equal Justice Initiative, we discuss the stark disparities within the criminal justice system. Stevenson shares his insights on how racial bias and economic status impact our U.S. justice system and create different realities for the "haves" and the "have-nots."

He highlights the critical need for public defenders and the role lawyers play in creating hope and challenging injustice. He questions why, despite a surplus of lawyers, many people of color and the poor still lack adequate representation. We also explore the harsh realities faced by defendants on death row and the broader implications of poverty as a barrier to equal justice.

Stevenson, a leading voice in the fight for equal justice, discusses the historical context of racial bias, from the use of lynching to intimidate African Americans to the indifference shown when "bad" individuals commit violent crimes. Stevenson emphasizes the importance of redirecting resources to prevent violence through education and intervention, urging a more responsible and complex approach, as the political expediency of promising punishment doesn't limit victimization.

With a wealth of experience, including multiple victories at the United States Supreme Court and major legal challenges against unfair sentencing, Stevenson provides a powerful perspective on the ongoing struggle for equality in the criminal justice system. His work has led to significant legal and social reforms. From founding the Legacy Museum and the National Memorial for Peace and Justice to authoring the critically acclaimed book "Just Mercy," Bryan Stevenson's impact is profound and far-reaching.

This is an unforgettable conversation about justice for all in the U.S.

In this compelling two-part interview with renowned attorney Bryan Stevenson, founder and Executive Director of the Equal Justice Initiative, we discuss the stark disparities within the criminal justice system. Stevenson shares his insights on how racial bias and economic status impact our U.S. justice system and create different realities for the "haves" and the "have-nots."

He highlights the critical need for public defenders and the role lawyers play in creating hope and challenging injustice. He questions why, despite a surplus of lawyers, many people of color and the poor still lack adequate representation. We also explore the harsh realities faced by defendants on death row and the broader implications of poverty as a barrier to equal justice.

Stevenson, a leading voice in the fight for equal justice, discusses the historical context of racial bias, from the use of lynching to intimidate African Americans to the indifference shown when "bad" individuals commit violent crimes. Stevenson emphasizes the importance of redirecting resources to prevent violence through education and intervention, urging a more responsible and complex approach, as the political expediency of promising punishment doesn't limit victimization.

With a wealth of experience, including multiple victories at the United States Supreme Court and major legal challenges against unfair sentencing, Stevenson provides a powerful perspective on the ongoing struggle for equality in the criminal justice system. His work has led to significant legal and social reforms. From founding the Legacy Museum and the National Memorial for Peace and Justice to authoring the critically acclaimed book "Just Mercy," Bryan Stevenson's impact is profound and far-reaching.

This is an unforgettable conversation about justice for all in the U.S.

In this eye-opening episode, we explore the deep-seated and often unconscious biases that persist in the U.S. with Tim Wise, renowned author and anti-racism educator. Drawing from his book "White Like Me" and his recent speech, Wise sheds light on the pervasive racism that affects people of color and the collective denial that allows it to persist.

Wise begins by addressing the crucial premise that combating racism is everyone's responsibility. He highlights the fundamental problem: White America, both corporately and collectively, has never truly been prepared to address the reality of the experiences faced by people of color. He recalls the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, where displaced black homeowners were barred from returning to their neighborhoods, and the stark difference in perceptions between white and black Americans about the racial implications of the disaster.

Through insightful polling analysis and powerful anecdotes, Wise critiques the liberal tendency to shift focus away from race and hide behind discussions of class. He notes how every generation might acknowledge injustice in hindsight, however, in the present the dominant group enjoys the luxury of ignorance about institutional racism and inequality. This denial and rationalization of our present-day racial inequalities, he argues, make it difficult to have honest conversations about race and perpetuate systemic injustice through ostensibly race-neutral policies.

Join us as Tim Wise, a Tulane University graduate and prominent anti-apartheid activist, discusses the institutionalized racism that continues to foster white privilege in the U.S. This episode is a must-listen for anyone committed to facing the truth of racism in the U.S., confronting our own biases and taking an active role in the fight against racism.