In this heartfelt and thought-provoking episode, Hannah and Scottie dive into Mary Oliver’s poem “Wild Geese,” using it as a springboard for a rich conversation on authenticity, emotional well-being, and the human desire to be “good.” Scottie reflects on the poem’s alignment with his coaching philosophy—encouraging self-acceptance and letting go of unnecessary suffering—while Hannah connects deeply with its message of honoring the body and its desires.

The discussion moves into the complex terrain of morality, where they unpack the difference between internal intention and external perception. Drawing from personal experiences, including Hannah’s Catholic upbringing, they explore how societal pressure to be seen as “good” can lead to guilt and self-doubt.

Themes of selflessness and motivation emerge as they examine helping others—not from obligation, but from a grounded, generous place. Scottie emphasizes showing up fully, even in the face of resistance, while Hannah acknowledges the emotional toll of overextending without boundaries.

The conversation also explores suffering and its perceived role in growth. They challenge the notion that enduring pain is inherently virtuous or spiritually rewarding, questioning whether this belief is more cultural than essential. The idea of secondary gain in suffering surfaces, as does the call for greater self-awareness and embodied practices like meditation to shift patterns.

The episode concludes with reflections on emotional health and parenting, highlighting the importance of modeling self-love and resilience. Scottie shares insights from recent travels and the solitude that brought clarity to her relationships and values. Through it all, Hannah and Scottie hold space for complexity, grace, and the radical act of choosing joy over suffering.

Co-Hosts:

Hannah Shaper

https://youtube.com/@hannahshaper6831

https://www.intotheabliss.com/contact

Scottie Gassner

https://youtube.com/@heyjustbe

https://open.spotify.com/show/1THqG0Pch3Gj0kEAAhwmnA?si=VSWIflkQRgOsxUjMEK-o-w

www.heyjustbe.com

#36 of Mixtape Therapy, special guest Lorena Garfi presents the song “Who You Are” by Jessie J.

In this deeply personal episode, Hannah & Scottie sit down with Lorena to explore the complexities of body image, self-worth, and authenticity—both in the modeling industry and beyond. Lorena opens up about her early struggles with disordered eating, the pressures of maintaining a certain appearance, and how her journey through Argentina, Paris, and motherhood shaped her outlook on beauty and identity.

Together, we reflect on our shared experiences—navigating adolescence without parental guidance, the intoxicating nature of external validation, and the power of reclaiming one’s story. We also explore generational shifts in body image expectations, the influence of societal pressures, and the importance of self-acceptance in healing and parenting.

This candid conversation touches on everything from fashion shows and calorie-counting watches to creativity, coaching, and changing the culture for the next generation. Vulnerable, insightful, and inspiring—this episode is a reminder that our worth has nothing to do with the scale. Join us as we explore the podcasting medium to create "Mixtape Therapy" featuring our favorite media.

Guest Host:

Lorena Garfi

IG: www.instagram.com/@lifecoach_lorenagarfi

Co-Hosts:

Hannah Shaper

https://youtube.com/@hannahshaper6831

https://www.intotheabliss.com/contact

Scottie Gassner

https://youtube.com/@heyjustbe

https://open.spotify.com/show/1THqG0Pch3Gj0kEAAhwmnA?si=VSWIflkQRgOsxUjMEK-o-w

www.heyjustbe.com