Moses Williams (SO/SP 5w6 513) is back for round two, and we dive straight into what he calls “the mortifying stuff.” We explore the dissonance of being autistic and socially wired — craving connection but feeling like a fish trying to fly. Moses speaks candidly about navigating sexual arousal alongside the fear of being seen as creepy or delusional, and what it’s like to experience intense desire as someone who’s sexual blind. He names his instinct to hide, control, and strategize, and what happens when that scaffolding starts to crack. We talk about being a triple competency type (513), the impulse to do everything alone, and the sharp suspicion that other people just get in the way. But then something unexpected happens: Moses softens. What starts as a conversation about childhood patterns and self-analysis ends in a rare emotional opening, as Moses entertains the dangerous hope that someone might actually want to stay.

LINKS

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Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro

11:33 - Differentiating type 5 and autism

22:09 - Social needs and a fascination with psychology

24:44 - Moses shares personal stories relating to early forms of type structure

32:33 - Giving sexual preferences space as opposed to suppressing

42:00 - Taking responsibility for the self

47:03 - Type 5 expanding on the obsession with animals

54:54 - Social hexad displaying ‘shocking’ parts up front

59:20 - Triple competency’s reliance on self and mistrust in others

1:07:49 - The spirit of collaboration as a competency type

1:15:03 - Releasing hope hiding underneath strategy

1:31:24 - Outro

CREDITS

Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/
Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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