In this episode, the panel delves into an engaging conversation about power in the church and society, featuring insights from Lindsay Anderson, Ajah Hales, Heather Johnston, and Matt Skolnik. The discussion covers the church's historical relationship with power, the struggle with white supremacy in the Presbyterian denomination, and rethinking monetary stewardship. Practical steps for addressing power issues, including developing genuine and reciprocal relationships, having mentors, and letting go of white guilt, are also explored. 00:12 Introduction to Power in the Church and Society 00:30 Historical Context: Constantine and the Church's Struggle with Power 01:20 Panel Discussion: Historical Misuse of Power and White Supremacy 01:59 Opening Prayer by Lindsay 02:42 Introduction of Panelists 02:51 Panelists' Experiences and Initial Thoughts on Power 05:10 The Struggle with White Supremacy in the Presbyterian Denomination 06:05 Theological Reflections on Power and Control 10:03 Financial Stewardship and Racial Capitalism 11:36 Challenges of Small Churches and Pastoral Leadership 12:30 Confusing Control with Power 15:00 The Role of Wealth and Privilege in the Church 21:19 The Church's Relationship with Empire and Oppression 26:32 Power in Numbers and the Future of the Church 26:59 Addressing Racism and Social Justice in the Church 32:46 Understanding Leadership and Society's Expectations 33:10 Biblical Insights on Pride and Help 34:12 The Spiritual Cost of Oppression 36:39 Personal Stories and Reflections on Racism 38:59 Practical Steps for Anti-Racism Work 39:45 The Role of White Guilt in Anti-Racism 42:01 The Importance of Genuine Relationships 45:06 Building Racial Resilience 47:31 Addressing Poverty and Control 55:36 Final Thoughts and Actionable Steps 57:19 Closing Prayer for Unity and Compassion