In this episode, we celebrate Nicole’s completion of the draft for her book, currently titled The Art of Chaos: A Memoir of Motherhood, Trauma, and Transformation. In our conversation, we explore the path she traveled in writing the story—and living it out—as what began as an integrated tale of the Maiden archetype moved into a messy, still-evolving tale of the Mother. In Nicole’s case, a mother of neurodivergent children who was caught in difficult, complex currents of marriage, family, and loss. No longer tied up in a well-processed bow, this reimagined book shifted heartbeat, which reflected Nicole’s own opening into another kind of journey—this time not the more linear Hero’s Journey she was so familiar with as an individual and a therapist, but the wild labyrinth of something new: the Heroine’s Journey.

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In this episode, we speak with depth psychologist Dr. John Beradino, who shares a sacred story touching forward and backward in time—from his family and the dreams they lived and ached for, to where he felt called to walk forward on his own, following a call he couldn't yet see. Our conversation moves from here to also explore notes of depth psychology, the container of story, the sacred posture of faith, and our lives as a possibility of homecoming, remembrance, a returning to the fullness of who we are. We hope you enjoy it as much as we did.

You can learn more about John and his therapeutic practice at https://www.johnberadino.com/.

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In this episode, we look at some of the language and ideas we often center on: notions of wholeness and paths of inner transformation. We share—imperfectly—how we each hold wholeness, which is more shape than definition. And we wind our way through various paths of transformation, which can sometimes involve intentionally seeking containers and guides that invite and support inner alchemy, and can sometimes reflect more a way of being, an opening into life and the depth of feelings we need to feel, that brings its own transmutation. These paths—which at least in part embody various energies of the hero’s journey and the heroine’s journey—share many notes and overlap too. And they all belong.

Because we each later felt there was more to express, more clearly, we’re going to return to these ideas in a part 2 conversation, soon.

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