Greetings friends.

By now you have likely heard about, if not already listened to, Aubrey Marcus’ podcast “A New Pattern for Sacred Relationship.”

If you haven’t I would recommend at least check out the first 30 minutes.

Last weekend I listened to the whole thing, all 2.5 hours. I've also read and watched a number of responses to it (and there are many).

Some folks call him a "false king" who is not a "real man". Others say the women (his wife and their lover) are being manipulated and have lost their own inner compass.

Marc Gafni, their mentor (also featured on the podcast) calls them "evolutionary lovers in a field of erotic mystics" ... or something.

It seems to have hit the cultural zeitgeist on sex, relationships, monogamy/polyamory, spiritual bypassing, divine union, cults, psychedelics, all of it.

Just that alone has been fascinating to witness.

A few days ago I posted an initial response on my Facebook.

I also sent the episode to my friend and collaborator Deus Fortier, and he responded with is take here.

I felt inspired to jump on a call today and record an emergent conversation between us. Enjoy!

As named, you can stream my film The Village of Lovers.

And check out Deus and I’s upcoming men’s offerings here:

* Awaking the Wild Erotic (In-Person)

* The Deep Masculine (Online)

SHOW NOTES

* 00:00 – Opening and framing: why this conversation matters now

* 00:50 – Who is Aubrey Marcus? Context on his influence and subcultural position

* 02:45 – Summary of the podcast episode: divine union, polyamory, and the “radical monogamy” claim

* 06:50 – The Egypt “download”: Aubrey’s call to impregnate both women

* 08:00 – Mark Gafni’s role as spiritual mentor and the atmosphere of unquestioned affirmation

* 10:30 – Deus shares his initial unease and what made the episode feel “off”

* 13:30 – The concept of krivda: when truth is wrapped in distortion

* 17:00 – Power dynamics, spiritual bypass, and concerns about lack of transparency

* 22:00 – Reflections on biological imperative and cultural conditioning around monogamy

* 31:00 – Lessons from Tamara: embedment and forum as collective relational technologies

* 40:00 – The danger of personal downloads without communal discernment

* 44:00 – Deus’s personal journey of erotic healing, trauma, and moving at the speed of trust

* 50:00 – How to offer better relational support to each other

Last week, I sat down with Chris Kyle, co-founder of the upcoming Big Tent Summit, a gathering for men & woman who are involved in the stewardship of healthy masculinity today.

Chris has been in the exploration for nearly three decades, and he articulates his perspective on the “three waves” of the modern men’s movement: from its mythopoetic roots, to the rise of embodied presence, and now—an integrative call to wholeness.

We speak of the fragmentation many men feel, the seductive pull of the mansophere & adolescent masculinities, and the hunger for a mature, grounded path rooted in a greater cosmology.

The Big Tent Summit, happening May 29–June 1 in Loveland, Colorado, is a gathering of leaders, facilitators, and culture-makers. It will be a place to compare maps, cross-pollinate practices, and connect with others engaged in this work.

Get full info & tickets at BigTentSummit.com

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For more of the history and evolution of men’s work, you’re invited to check out my free webinar An Introduction To Mythopoetic Masculinity.

Today, I’m honored to share a conversation with Minna Salami—author, social critic, and senior fellow at The New Institute.

This exchange was recorded during the Fugitive Futures Summit I co-hosted in February 2025. I’m sharing it here because of the powerful resonance between Minna’s work and the questions we hold on this podcast.

Her book Sensuous Knowledge: A Black Feminist Approach for Everyone proposes a liberatory way of knowing that’s embodied, relational, and rooted in both thought and feeling. Drawing on African cosmologies and feminist philosophy, Minna challenges the dominance of Euro-patriarchal systems and invites us toward a more holistic worldview.

We explore this sensuous way of knowing—and its deep relevance to masculinity. We speak to the adolescent forms of masculine power so common in leadership today, and ask how a more mature, rooted masculinity might emerge through depth and inner listening.

UPCOMING OFFERINGS

Speaking of pathways of mature masculinity, men are invited to check out my online trainings and in-person events.

The Deep Masculine - 12 week online journey to repattern your relationship to sex, soul and purpose. Begin anytime.

Awakening The Wild Erotic - A men’s ritual initiation into the archetype of The Lover. We have two upcoming weekends:

* July 25-27 - Montreal, Canada

* Aug 22-24 - Vancouver Island

All folks are invited to explore Iron John: A Mythic Story about Men.

Would love to hear your comments on my conversation with Minna! Leave you thoughts below.