Ever wondered how a conservative Christian woman justifies voting for Donald Trump? Or how someone reconciles their faith with a leader whose behavior often raises eyebrows? Today, we're ripping off the band-aid and answering some of the questions that have been flooding our DMs. No sugar-coating, no dancing around the issues—just real talk about politics, faith, and those messy places where they collide.

Here's the thing—whether you're nodding along or shaking your head, this conversation matters. We're peeling back the layers of assumptions that keep us divided and replacing them with something more valuable: understanding.

Got thoughts? Questions? Maybe you're sitting there thinking we've lost our minds or finally found our sense? Drop us a line on Instagram or jump into the comments on our YouTube channel "We've Got to Talk." This conversation's just getting started, and your voice matters.

- Nicole & Jolene

P.S. Yes, we're still friends after this conversation. 😉

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction and Pre-Recording Banter

02:44 Feedback and Listener Reactions

03:58 Discussing the Podcast's Purpose

07:59 Homework Assignment and Listener Questions

08:41 Explaining the Trump Vote

12:25 Addressing Concerns About Trump

21:22 Debating Trump's Racism Allegations

26:08 Government Control and Spending

29:04 Liberal Perspectives and National Parks

30:12 State of the Union Address Highlights

30:59 Emotional Moments and Political Reactions

34:45 Transgender Issues in Sports

37:59 Ukraine-Russia Conflict Analysis

44:23 Would You Rather? Fun and Games

50:22 Final Thoughts

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

One wrong social media post. One controversial opinion. That's all it takes to see your business suffer in 2025. Today we’re taking a look at the brutal reality of cancel culture - what actually happens when your views don't match the majority. From death threats sliding into DMs to orchestrated boycott campaigns, Nicole and Jolene reveal the true cost of speaking up in an era where silence feels safer.

The most dangerous impact of cancel culture isn't the loud voices demanding boycotts - it's the voices we never hear. How many important conversations die in draft folders? How many perspectives get buried under layers of fear? How many bridges never get built because everyone's afraid to take the first step?

Two women from opposite sides of the political spectrum refuse to let fear win. While Jolene still worries about Dible Dough and Nicole still concerns herself with a potential backlash, we’ve decided that honest, respectful dialogue matters more than playing it safe.

Your Turn to Talk

Are you holding back your truth? Have you swallowed your words because the risk felt too high? The conversation continues on Instagram and YouTube channel "We've Got to Talk." Because in a world where cancel culture thrives on division, real conversation might be the only way forward.

- Nicole & Jolene

P.S. Thinking about canceling either of us after reading this? Try having a real conversation first. Coffee beats keyboard warfare every time. 😉

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

01:23 Launching We’ve Got To Talk Podcast

03:28 Facing Cancel Culture

05:31 Boycotts and Their Impact

07:50 Introducing Dibble Dough

08:21 Navigating Political Views

16:54 The Hypocrisy of Choices

18:57 The Privilege of Choice

19:26 Dealing with Anger and Exhaustion

20:24 Podcast Journey and Support

22:45 Cookie Dough Flavors

24:17 Good for the Soul Recommendations

25:30 Would You Rather?

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Healing Out Loud - Instagram

Progress Network - Instagram

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

It's not every day you hear about a tech mogul transitioning to a pivotal role in government, yet here we are. When Donald Trump appointed Elon Musk as the head of the Department Of Government Efficiency, it sent shockwaves through every corner of Washington D.C. It's a bold move that has us curious, frustrated, and admittedly a bit nervous about what lies ahead.

So what does this truly mean in the governmental landscape? Only time will tell, but it’s certainly causing quite a stir among Republicans and Democrats.

As the dust begins to settle, both the support and criticism around Musk’s influence are palpable. From what we're hearing on both ends of the political spectrum, everyone seems to be adopting a cautious optimism—or skepticism. Will the DOGE write a new chapter in the smart and efficient handling of our resources, or are we looking at a costly experiment?

Ultimately, whether you view this as a weird detour or a necessary intervention, one thing is clear: Elon Musk has galvanized a government ready for an upgrade. Join the conversation, wherever it may lead, because this is undoubtedly a moment that will make waves in history books yet to be written.

00:00 Introduction to Elon Musk and DOGE

00:57 Media Influence and Leaked Conversations

02:23 Muzzle Velocity and Media Critique

05:03 White House Press and Influencer Involvement

06:33 Beauty Standards and Political Stereotypes

08:35 Disruption in Government and Tech Industry

14:47 Elon Musk's Leadership Style and Influence

19:00 Political Protests and Free Speech

21:32 Revamping Conversations and Common Ground

22:14 Addressing Waste, Fraud, and Abuse

22:59 The Role of the United States in Global Aid

23:38 Elon Musk's Transparency and Cuts

24:23 The Impact of USAID and Government Spending

28:26 Social Security and National Debt

30:07 The Global Impact of Aid Programs

32:47 The Need for Change and Disruption

35:37 Would You Rather Game

LINKS:

404 Media: https://www.404media.co/things-are-going-to-get-intense-how-a-musk-ally-plans-to-push-ai-on-the-government/

Wired article: https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-lieutenant-gsa-ai-agency/?ref=404media.co

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

The White House has become America's most dramatic reality show, with policy changes dropping faster than a new Netflix series. Trump's latest plot twist? A fresh wave of tariffs that are sending shockwaves from Wall Street to Shanghai. Just when the global markets thought they had the script figured out, this new economic bombshell is rewriting international trade rules and leaving world leaders scrambling to respond.

For those keeping score at home (and let's face it, we all should be), these aren't just numbers on a spreadsheet—they're moves in a high-stakes game that's reshaping everything from your morning coffee prices to the future of international commerce.

Sure, Trump's "art of the deal" might make headlines, but let's get real—are these aggressive trade tactics actually strengthening global economic stability, or are they pushing us closer to a worldwide recession?

Here's the thing about global tariffs—they're like throwing a stone into a pond. The ripples affect everything: international relations, supply chains, consumer prices, and yes, even your local businesses. Some adapt and thrive, others struggle to stay afloat in these choppy economic waters.

We could debate international trade policy until the cows come home (wherever those cows might be manufactured these days), but now we want to hear from you. How are these global economic shifts affecting your corner of the world? Are you seeing prices climb? Has your business had to pivot its international strategy?

Whether you're watching from Wall Street or Main Street, your perspective matters in this global economic story. Stay informed, keep asking questions, and remember—in today's interconnected world, every economic decision has worldwide consequences.

00:00 Introduction to the Tariff Rollercoaster

01:27 Impact on Small Business Owners

02:29 Packaging and Sourcing Decisions

04:29 Retailer Challenges and Market Reactions

06:06 Political Influences and Decisions

08:31 Global Trade and Tariff Implications

11:26 Tariffs and the Fentanyl Crisis

14:53 Canada, Mexico, and Trade Dynamics

21:53 China's Dominance in Global Manufacturing

24:03 Green Energy Initiatives and China

26:17 Tariffs and American Manufacturing

30:44 Tax Cuts and Economic Policies

32:18 The Wealth Gap and Taxation

34:36 Stock Market and Economic Trust

36:34 Geopolitical Threats and China

37:59 Good for the Soul and Social Media

40:28 Would You Rather? Fun Questions

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tax Foundation: https://taxfoundation.org/

USA Facts: https://usafacts.org/

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

Hold onto your hats, folks—we're about to tackle one of the most heated topics in the current US political landscape. Trump's recent rollback of DEI initiatives has set off a firestorm of reactions, and this topic is anything but simple.

You know what's fascinating? The sheer audacity of this move has created a natural experiment in corporate values. While some companies scrambled to follow suit and drop the initiative with vigor, giants like Costco, the NFL, and Apple stood their ground with a resounding "Thanks, but no thanks." It's like watching a high-stakes poker game where companies are betting on their principles—and consumers hold the winning cards.

Maybe the real story isn't about Trump's decision or corporate America's response. Maybe it's about us—everyday people making countless small decisions that add up to significant change. Whether you're Team DEI or Team Rollback, you're part of this unfolding story.

So, what's your take? Are we witnessing the death of corporate diversity initiatives, or is this just another plot twist in America's ongoing journey toward equality? The conversation continues, and your voice matters more than you might think.

Let's keep talking, questioning, and yes, even disagreeing. Because that's how progress happens—one conversation, one decision, one action at a time.

00:00 Introduction and Greetings

00:42 Discussing DEI: Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion

01:04 Benefits and Challenges of Being a Woman-Owned Business

03:11 Reactions to DEI Rollbacks

04:24 Impact of George Floyd's Death on DEI Initiatives

05:29 Meritocracy and Racial Bias in Business

08:02 Trump's Executive Actions and Affirmative Action

09:25 Public Reaction to Trump's Policies

09:49 Tabitha Brown and Supporting Minority-Owned Businesses

10:38 The Role of Government and Corporations in DEI

23:05 Debating America's Identity

24:15 The DEI Controversy

25:48 Political Figures and Decisions

28:44 The Role of Women in Politics

34:04 Hypothetical Questions and Reflections

36:19 Final Thoughts and Agreement

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tabitha Brown - Target

Tabitha Brown - Instagram

LINKS:

Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

In our latest episode, we tackled a story that reads like a political thriller—Robert F. Kennedy Jr's appointment as U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services. This isn't just another political appointment; it's a narrative that challenges everything we thought we knew about party lines, public health, and the dance between science and politics.

Picture this: A Kennedy—yes, from that Kennedy family—potentially serving under a Republican administration. It's like watching a political eclipse; rare, fascinating, and slightly unsettling. Though, not dissimilar to Trump switching from his Liberal roots to the Republican party. This unexpected alliance has left both sides of the aisle scratching their heads, wondering if we've entered an alternate political universe. Or has it become more important to side with the party that you think has the best chance of holding the power.

This isn't just about political appointments or healthcare policies—it's about reclaiming our voice in conversations that affect our families' wellbeing. We're calling for a new era of informed dialogue, where questioning the status quo doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist, and supporting science doesn't make you a corporate puppet.

From this conversation, one thing became crystal clear: This conversation isn't just about RFK Jr or political appointments—it's about you, your health, and your right to understand the forces shaping our healthcare future. The question isn't whether you agree with every point, but whether you're ready to join this crucial conversation about our collective wellbeing.

00:00 Introduction

01:09 RFK's Political Background and Initial Reactions

03:03 Health and Food Safety Concerns

09:15 Vaccine Controversies and Government Trust Issues

11:31 Cancer and Vaccine Discussions

19:01 Concerns About RFK's Potential Conflicts of Interest

20:16 Impressions from the Hearings

22:32 Senators' Perspectives and Emotional Moments

25:28 Televised Hearings and Political Grandstanding

26:40 Accountability and Transparency in Politics

29:00 Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren's Passion

32:00 Media Influence and Pharmaceutical Industry

33:51 RFK's Vision for Unobstructed Science

36:46 Would You Rather? Fun and Personal Reflections

LINKS:

Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

Should the President of the United States hold the power to grant pardons?

In our latest podcast episode, we tackled this burning question, particularly focusing on the pardons issued by Trump related to the January 6th Storming of the Capitol event. Should such pardons be allowed, and do they hold ethical ground?

During our discussion, we explored the ramifications of pardons issued by Trump and Biden. Jolene raised an important point about Biden's preemptive pardons aimed at protecting individuals involved in January 6th based on fear of future retaliation from Trump and his constituents. Meanwhile, Trump's broad forgiveness for those who assaulted law enforcement officers during the insurrection strikes as both confusing and deeply concerning.

Can advocating for "Blue Lives Matter" coexist with pardoning those who threaten them? These actions lead us to question if presidential pardoning power requires oversight or limitations, ensuring it's not wielded unilaterally.

Ultimately, we're striving for a more balanced approach to political discourse, one that rises above tit-for-tat tactics. Whether it's reconsidering the parameters of the presidential pardoning power or engaging with a variety of media, critical and ethical evaluation from all sides can lead to more fruitful, less divided conversations about our nation's future.

00:00 Introduction and Setting the Scene

01:11 Discussing Trump and Biden Pardons

03:57 Reactions to Pardons and Political Climate

07:05 January 6th Events and Aftermath

12:28 Media Coverage and Public Perception

19:09 Conspiracy Theories and Security Measures

21:09 Independent News and Media Reactions

22:08 Emergence of Independent News Agencies

22:34 Tangle News: A Balanced Perspective

23:38 Exploring New Independent News Sources

26:23 Following Political Figures on Social Media

28:21 The Importance of Diverse News Consumption

30:18 Celebrity Performances and Personal Stories

32:29 Would You Rather: A Fun Debate

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tangle: https://www.readtangle.com/

Free Press: https://www.thefp.com/

404 Media: https://www.404media.co/

Status News: https://www.status.news/

LINKS:

Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

Left or right? Progressive or traditional?

These labels have become battle cries in our modern society, yet they barely scratch the surface of who we truly are. Beyond the oversimplified boxes of 'liberal' and 'conservative' lies a rich tapestry of human experience that defies easy categorization.

Today, we're peeling back the layers of these identities—not just as political badges, but as deeply personal frameworks that color how we see the world, shape our relationships, and influence every conversation we have.

It’s clear that the essence of being liberal or conservative extends beyond political affiliations; it is about personal experiences, cultural influences, and the identities we associate with. While these labels help define our political stance, they should never limit our capacity to engage openly and empathetically with those who differ from us.

So, let this post be an invitation to broaden your worldview. Engage in conversations that challenge you, and let kindness and understanding guide you through the complexity of political discourse. There’s a lot to unravel, but there’s also beauty in the journey of discovery.

Navigating Political Differences: Empathy, Elections, and Everyday Humor

Join Jolene and Nicole as they delve into their political backgrounds, exploring what it means to be conservative and liberal in today's society. The conversation touches on their personal experiences, media consumption, and the impact of social bubbles on political understanding. Adding a touch of humor, they recount personal anecdotes, including Nicole's unforgettable road trip story. Tune in for a candid discussion aimed at fostering empathy and bridging the political divide.

00:00 Morning Greetings and Football Fandom

01:13 Defining Political Identities

02:38 Personal Political Journeys

07:41 The Role of Media in Politics

12:41 Celebrity Influence in Elections

16:34 Political Party Dynamics

18:25 Reflecting on Political Ads and Media Influence

19:09 Trump's Appeal and Controversies

23:48 The TikTok Privacy Debate

28:10 College vs. NFL Football Games

29:34 A Hilarious Ski Trip Story

34:37 Concluding Thoughts and Farewell

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/