In this episode, Amy Wheeler welcomes back Kimberly Searl, a faculty member at Maryland University of Integrative Health’s M.S. in Yoga Therapy program. Kimberly brings decades of experience in teaching anatomy, kinesiology, and physical assessment through the lens of yoga therapy. Together, Amy and Kimberly explore what it truly means to assess the physical body in a therapeutic context, challenging old paradigms and illuminating a more holistic, compassionate approach rooted in curiosity, embodiment, and lived experience.

They dive into the concept of an “anatomy story”—how each of us comes to understand and inhabit our bodies through both joy and injury, and how this narrative becomes essential for therapeutic healing. Kimberly shares her journey from a farm girl fascinated by animal movement to a yoga therapist who now mentors students and clients in discovering safety, strength, and integration within their own bodies.

This episode is packed with powerful questions and insights:

• What does a yoga therapist actually need to know about anatomy and kinesiology?
• How can we responsibly assess the physical body without overstepping into diagnostic territory?
• Why does “interoception” matter, and how does it affect mental health and healing?
• How do we hold space for a client’s goals, instead of imposing our own agenda?
• What role do breath, motor planning, and functional movement play in therapeutic sequencing?

Amy and Kimberly also discuss the changing needs of the aging body, the myth of alignment as perfection, and how being "medically adjacent" is a unique strength of yoga therapy—not a limitation.

This episode is for:

• Yoga therapy students and educators
• Clinicians seeking to understand yoga therapy’s scope
• Clients on their healing journey looking to feel more at home in their body
• Anyone ready to trade rigidity for resilience

Listen in to hear:

The difference between fixing and guiding

What a co-assessment really looks like

How slowing down transforms the healing process

The role of yoga therapy in addressing the whole person—body, breath, and mind

Why resilience might be the new word for “safe, strong, and integrated”

Guest Bio:

Kimberly Searl, M.S., C-IAYT, is a certified yoga therapist and educator who teaches anatomy, kinesiology, and physical assessment in the M.S. Yoga Therapy program at MUIH. With more than 33,000 hours of experience in teaching movement and body awareness, Kimberly is passionate about helping others rediscover safety and empowerment in their bodies. She is also the founder of Integrative Sustainable Movement, a healing center rooted in the values of lifelong, accessible, and mindful movement. Website: https://ism.health/

Yoga is not an exercise program—it is a healing philosophy.

Join Kimberly and Amy as they redefine what physical assessment can look like when guided by the principles of yoga therapy and the lived reality of the human experience.

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In this deeply moving and enlightening episode of The Yoga Therapy Hour, host Amy Wheeler welcomes Bobbi Lalach, a kinesiologist and yoga therapist from Cranbrook, British Columbia. Bobbi shares her powerful story of recovery after a traumatic car accident left her with a concussion—and a life turned upside down.

At first, Bobbi didn’t realize she was injured. As a mother of five and a healthcare provider, she brushed off her persistent headache and fatigue as stress or a sinus infection. It wasn’t until she couldn’t comprehend a simple work email six weeks later that she realized something was seriously wrong. Her journey through denial, misdiagnosis, and eventually, healing offers insight into how we often ignore our own suffering—especially when we're used to caring for others.

Topics Discussed:

• Signs of concussion you may miss
• Why healthcare providers often ignore their own symptoms
• Co-regulation and healing within the family system
• The role of empathy, self-awareness, and grief in recovery
• Yoga therapy’s unique value in cases that fall through the cracks
• The power of simplicity: legs up the wall, breath, and presence

Bobbi and Amy dive into a conversation around the power of rest, nervous system regulation, and why slowing down is often the most advanced form of care. Bobbi’s honest reflections on grief, acceptance, and growth—alongside her scientific background—make this a must-listen for anyone navigating recovery, caregiving, or the complex intersection of mind and body.

Bobbi’s Words of Wisdom:

"You might miss the signs. You might even need the 2x4 moment to make you stop. But don’t give up. There is a way to heal—even if it’s not the way you imagined."

Whether you’re a caregiver, clinician, or someone in recovery yourself, this episode will leave you feeling seen, inspired, and more in touch with the quiet, powerful wisdom of your own body.

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In this solo episode, Amy Wheeler invites listeners into a conversation about the intersection of childhood religion and the lifelong path of yoga therapy. What happens when the grace-filled teachings of Lutheran Christianity (insert your belief structure here) meet the depth and systematization of Indian philosophy? Can we honor both? Amy explores her own journey—from growing up in a progressive Christian household to becoming a devoted student and teacher of Yoga—unpacking how these spiritual lineages can coexist with humility, respect, and a shared intention to reduce suffering. This episode encourages us all to ask: Can different belief systems lead us toward the same inner peace? And more importantly, can we stay grounded in ethical yoga practice while honoring both source and seeker?

In This Episode, Amy Discusses:

• Her upbringing as a Lutheran minister’s daughter and how values like grace, compassion, and service shaped her early views on faith and spirituality.
• The transformative moment of discovering Yoga philosophy, particularly the structure and clarity of Patañjali’s Yoga Sūtra and the Bhagavad Gītā.
• Navigating cultural appreciation vs. cultural appropriation—especially as a Western Yoga Therapist working with ancient Indian teachings.
• Can someone be a Yoga Therapist and maintain their original religious identity? Amy dives into the conversation about pluralism, integrity, and therapeutic intention.
• Iśvara as a formless universal presence, and whether one’s version of “God,” “Allah,” “Jesus,” or “Buddha” can reflect the same sattvic qualities in a yoga-based healing context.

Amy reminds us that being a yoga therapist is not about spiritual perfection or ideological purity—it’s about long-term dedication to learning, humility, and reducing human suffering. Whether your spiritual background includes religion, atheism, or a mix of philosophies, the invitation is to stay with the practice, keep questioning, and deepen your connection to the wholeness of yoga without abandoning your roots. As she says, “Maybe the real question is whether what you believe is helping you be a better, kinder human being.”

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Episode Summary:

In this compelling episode of The Yoga Therapy Hour, host Amy Wheeler sits down with Alyssa Morales, a yoga therapist and registered nurse based in Rochester, NY. Alyssa shares her deeply personal journey of overcoming an eating disorder and how yoga became the catalyst for profound healing and self-empowerment. She also discusses how she mindfully integrates her background in nursing with her yoga therapy practice, offering a unique and holistic approach to care. This episode explores the power of perception, self-exploration, and the intersection of yoga and Western healthcare in the healing process.

In This Episode, We Discuss:

• Alyssa's personal healing journey through yoga and how it reshaped her understanding of recovery.
• The distinction between her nursing and yoga therapy roles, and how she balances both within her practice.
• How yoga therapy empowered her to shift deeply ingrained perceptions and create sustainable change.
• The concept of eating disorders as a “disease of perception” and how yoga facilitates a shift in self-awareness.
• The role of bottom-up versus top-down approaches in healing and why integrating both can be transformative.
• How yoga therapy fosters reconnection in relationships and allows for deeper engagement with life.

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Instagram: @Alyssa_YTSOL

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Episode Description:

In this deeply moving and profoundly insightful episode, Amy Wheeler welcomes yoga therapist, author, and pelvic health expert Cheri Dostal Ryba to share her personal story of healing, embodiment, and reclamation. Cheri’s journey touches on intergenerational trauma, family estrangement, caregiving for a parent in crisis, and the body’s remarkable wisdom in processing, protecting, and ultimately guiding us toward healing.

Cheri vulnerably recounts the transformative chapter of her life that unfolded after her family returned to Wisconsin, just as her book, Pelvic Yoga Therapy for the Whole Woman, was released. Amid navigating her family’s unraveling, Cheri found herself in the heart of her own embodied healing journey — trusting the intelligence of her body, allowing grief to move through her, and reclaiming her own sense of safety, belonging, and joy.

This conversation is a testament to the power of somatic practice, ancestral healing, and trusting the subtle (and not-so-subtle) signals our bodies give us, even when our minds may not yet have words for the story.

Please note: This episode touches on sensitive topics, including family trauma, suicide attempts, and intergenerational wounding. While the conversation is approached with compassion and care, we advise listener discretion, particularly if you are listening with children or if these topics are personally triggering.

Topics Covered:

• How yoga, breathwork, and mantra supported Cheri’s healing process
• The wisdom of the body in revealing truth — even before the mind catches up
• Grieving necessary endings and choosing healthy boundaries with family
• The role of the pelvis in personal power, belonging, and embodied wholeness
• How yoga therapy can support pelvic health, trauma recovery, and personal reclamation
• Cheri’s upcoming Pelvic Yoga Book Summit – May 2-3, 2025

Quotes from the Episode:

"Sensitivity is the privilege and responsibility of remembering." — Toko-pa Turner

"Healing is living — fiercely committing to the present moment." — Cheri Dostal Ryba

Resources Mentioned:

• Book: Pelvic Yoga Therapy for the Whole Woman: A Professional Guide by Cheri Dostal Ryba
• Event: Pelvic Yoga Book Summit - May 2-3, 2025 (Registration opens by April 4, 2025)
• Book Mentioned by Amy: Necessary Endings by Dr. Henry Cloud
• Mantra Discussed: Mahā Mṛtyuñjaya Mantra – exploring its symbolism of effortless release and surrender

About Cheri Dostal Ryba:

Cheri is a yoga therapist, pelvic health specialist, somatic educator, and author. Her work empowers individuals — particularly women — to reclaim their embodied sense of safety, pleasure, and sovereignty. Through her book, retreats, and upcoming summit, Cheri weaves together the physical, emotional, and spiritual aspects of healing the pelvic bowl, while honoring the whole person.

Connect with Cheri:

Website: www.cheridostalryba.com

Pelvic Yoga Book Summit: www.cheridostalryba.com/pelvicyogabooksummit

Instagram: @cheridostalryba

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Welcome to this heartfelt episode of The Yoga Therapy Hour, where we dive deep into the complex terrain of grief, loss, and healing with author and Ayurvedic practitioner Sweta Vikram. In this vulnerable and profound conversation, Sweta shares her personal story of losing both her father and father-in-law within days of each other and how her yoga and Ayurveda practices carried her through the darkest moments. Together, we explore what it means to lose a father, how grief reshapes our identity, and how to gently find a way forward through daily self-care, boundaries, and spiritual practices. Whether you have experienced loss or are preparing for the inevitable grief we all face, this conversation offers a grounded, compassionate, and real-world path to healing.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• What it looks like to navigate profound loss and how grief can completely reshape who we are.
• How Ayurveda and Yoga Therapy offer practical tools for grief support, including how to manage a dysregulated nervous system.
• The lifelong imprint fathers leave on us—whether present, absent, or complicated—and how to honor or heal that relationship.
• How to recognize and shift out of grief-related stagnation (Kapha imbalance) using movement, diet, and daily rituals.
• Why setting boundaries is essential for healing—and how to do it without anger or resentment.
• What to do when grief is complicated or unresolved, especially for those who did not have a loving or supportive parent.

About Sweta Vikram:

Sweta Vikram is a 14-time published author, Ayurvedic practitioner, yoga therapist, and grief coach. She specializes in helping people navigate grief, loss, and trauma using the integrated wisdom of Ayurveda and Yoga Therapy. Sweta also works with survivors of domestic violence and sexual assault as a trauma-informed yoga teacher.

Visit her website: www.swetavikram.com

Explore her latest book:

The Loss That Binds Us: 108 Tips on Coping with Grief and Loss — a compassionate, accessible guide filled with real-life, simple practices to navigate grief when words are not enough.

One-on-One Support: Sweta offers private Ayurvedic coaching, yoga therapy, and specialized grief coaching—details on her website.

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In this episode of The Yoga Therapy Hour, host Amy Wheeler welcomes Jenna Schissel, a yoga therapist based in Des Moines, Iowa, who brings a deeply personal and integrative perspective to the field. Jenna shares her journey of self-discovery, shaped by her experiences with social anxiety and introversion. She discusses how yoga became a natural path for inner healing, providing her with a structured way to cultivate self-awareness, resilience, and confidence.

Rather than focusing on symptom management or pathology, Jenna approaches yoga therapy through the lens of salutogenesis—the process of fostering well-being rather than merely preventing or treating illness. She and Amy explore how yoga therapy facilitates whole-person healing, supporting individuals in cultivating inner stability, self-regulation, and a sense of personal agency.

While Jenna also maintains a separate psychotherapy practice specializing in trauma and ketamine-assisted therapy, this conversation focuses on the role of yoga therapy in personal transformation, embodiment, and nervous system coherence, rather than trauma treatment.

Key Topics Discussed in This Episode:

• Jenna’s Personal Journey with Yoga – How yoga provided Jenna with a framework to understand and navigate her experiences with social anxiety and introversion. She reflects on the ways that movement, breathwork, and meditation helped her shift from internal self-doubt to self-trust and connection with others.
• Yoga Therapy as a Path to Whole-Person Healing – Jenna and Amy discuss how yoga therapy facilitates salutogenesis, supporting individuals in building resilience, internal balance, and long-term well-being. They highlight the importance of seeing yoga therapy as a process of self-cultivation rather than symptom reduction.
• The Role of Self-Awareness in the Healing Process – Jenna explains how self-awareness practices, such as breath observation, mindful movement, and reflective inquiry, serve as fundamental tools in yoga therapy. These practices allow individuals to tune into their internal states and develop a more compassionate and attuned relationship with themselves.
• Working with the Nervous System in Yoga Therapy – The conversation explores how yoga therapy supports autonomic regulation, helping individuals transition from chronic stress patterns to a more balanced and responsive state. Jenna shares insights on how simple breath and movement techniques can be applied in daily life to foster internal steadiness.
• The Interplay Between Personal Practice and Professional Work – Jenna reflects on how her personal experiences inform her work as a yoga therapist. She discusses the importance of ongoing self-practice, not only for maintaining professional integrity but also for deepening her understanding of the mind-body connection.
• Yoga Therapy vs. Psychotherapy: Clarifying the Distinction – While Jenna also works as a psychotherapist, she explains the clear distinctions between her yoga therapy practice and her clinical work. Yoga therapy offers a non-pathologizing, strength-based approach to personal growth, while psychotherapy serves a different role in addressing clinical concerns. This conversation helps clarify how yoga therapy can complement but is not a substitute for mental health treatment.
• The Power of Introversion in Yoga Therapy – Jenna discusses the unique strengths that introverts bring to both yoga practice and teaching. She and Amy explore how introversion can be reframed as a gift, allowing for deeper self-reflection, insight, and meaningful connection.

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Welcome to the Yoga Therapy Hour in 2025! Host Amy Wheeler kicks off the year by diving deep into Patanjali’s Yoga Sutra 1.33, which offers a framework for improving relationships and cultivating inner peace. Amy reflects on how yoga has helped her heal physically, emotionally, and in her relationships, emphasizing the transformative power of clarity, compassion, and discernment.

This episode focuses on the practical application of four key principles from the sutra:

• Maitrī (Friendliness)
• Karunā (Compassion)
• Muditā (Appreciation and Gratitude)
• Upekṣā (Discernment and Non-Judgment)

Amy shares personal anecdotes, insights, and strategies for applying these principles in daily life to reduce suffering, strengthen connections, and foster emotional resilience.

Key Takeaways:

1. Yoga as Relationship: Yoga is reflected in how we interact with the world. Healthy relationships are a sign of a healthy inner state.
2. Healing Through Yoga: Amy shares her journey of overcoming physical, mental, and emotional challenges through yoga and Ayurveda.
3. Applying Yoga Sutra 1.33: Learn how to navigate relationships by being friendly to the friendly, compassionate to the suffering, appreciative of the good, and discerning with negative influences.
4. Discernment in Action: Understand when to step back from toxic relationships and redirect energy towards meaningful connections.
5. Compassion vs. Empathy: Amy explains the importance of healthy boundaries in offering compassion without experiencing burnout or compassion fatigue.

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