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In this conversation, Hilary Phelps and Lara Love Hardin discuss addiction, recovery, and the power of books. Lara shares her personal journey of addiction and recovery, highlighting the role that books played in her life as a form of escape and refuge. They discuss the challenges of overcoming addiction, the impact on family dynamics, and the importance of self-awareness and self-love. Lara also talks about her work with the Gemma Project, an organization that provides programming and support for incarcerated women and helps them reintegrate into society. In this part of the conversation, Lara Love Hardin and Hilary Phelps discuss the importance of community and vulnerability in healing from shame. Lara shares her experience of feeling isolated and afraid of judgment due to her incarceration, but how opening up and sharing her story has brought her closer to others. They also discuss the power of owning your story and not pretending to be okay when you're not. Lara emphasizes the need for support and connection, and how sharing your secrets can be a gift to others. They also touch on the role of humor and playfulness in the healing process.

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