At its core, experiencing pain simply means that something is off. And oftentimes, we think pain is bad. And sometimes it is. And sometimes it can be really useful. In our Season 3 Finale, therapist and pastor, BrianJames McMahon, unpacks for us how being honest and lamenting his own pain changed everything for him–including stepping out of vocational ministry. It’s possible to not fear pain, wrestle with lament, and bravely face the possibility of leaving a ministry, with hope–and without hating it.

Resources Highlighted in this Interview:

• Church Well Co Website
• BrianJames Therapy Website
• Connect further with Brian James at Instagram: @brianjamesmcmahon @church_well_co

Guest Bio:
BrianJames McMahon is a pastor, counselor, and founder of both Church Well Co, and BrianJames Therapy. He works with pastors, churches, and communities to develop safe(r) relational and emotional spaces for healing and connection.

BrianJames cares deeply that the Church of Jesus embodies the person of Jesus with beauty, bravery, and connection.Never one to shy away from messiness and pain, he has committed his life to helping leaders honestly face the pain present in their lives and callings and to walk into the fullness of the life Jesus has for them in honesty, openness, and bravery.

Episode Credits:
Audio Engineer & Editing by AJ Williams
Produced by Chad Garrison

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As ministry leaders, there are things about ministry that we hate, and that’s ok. It only took us 37 episodes to get to that, but here we are for a conversation with pastor, professor, fellow podcaster and friend, Tim Lee. In this episode Tim gets reflective on his own recent journey of deconstructing what ministry is vs. what he’s always known, the truth that we are still not healthy after all that happened in 2020, and why apathy is actually the greatest threat to anything we do. It’s a real iron vs. iron conversation!

Resources Highlighted in this Interview:

• Listen to the How To Church Podcast here
• The Violent Take It By Force by Matthew D. Taylor
• The Gift of Thorns by A. J. Swoboda
• Connect further with Tim at avlife.church/about-us

Guest Bio:
The most important thing about Tim Lee is that he loves Jesus, is married to his high school sweetheart, Sharon, and together they are raising their two daughters, Hannah and Selah.

Tim has served in ministry leadership roles at various Foursquare churches for more than two decades, and since 2011 he and Sharon have been the Co-Lead Pastors of Life Church in Lancaster, California.

Having earned a doctorate in Leadership and Spiritual Formation from Portland Seminary, Tim also serves as the Chair of the Department of Theology and Ministry at LIFE Pacific University and Director of the McPherson Preaching Institute (MPI) where he hopes to plant seeds that will cultivate the next generation of pentecostal preachers and ministry leaders.

Episode Credits:
Audio Engineer & Editing by AJ Williams
Produced by Chad Garrison

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As leaders, we must face the reality that we will all journey with sexual sin and purity, whether personally, and/or with others. In this episode, Robby Booth breaks down how this journey isn’t just about sex, but rather about wounded-ness in hearts. Robby also gives practical tools to combat treating our sexuality like soup, and living fully in the transformation God gives. Don’t give up your birthright!

It’s time for a Soul Check, an open discussion with ministry leaders and mental health specialists focused on reinforcing the most important part of you–your soul!

Resources Highlighted in this Interview:

• Covenant Eyes - Pornography Accountability
• Conquer Series with Ted Roberts
• F.A.S.T.E.R. Relapse Scale
• The Attachment Theory Workbook by Annie Chen, LMFT
• Clean: A Proven Plan for Men Committed to Sexual Integrity by Doug Weiss
• Intimacy: 100 Day Guide to Lasting Relationships by Doug Weiss
• 30 Day Marriage Makeover by Doug Weiss
• Married and Alone: Healing Exercises for Spouses by Doug Weiss
• Intimacy Anorexia. A workbook by Doug Weiss
• Partners: Healing from His Addiction by Doug Weiss
• Connect further with Robby at rbooth777@gmail.com

Guest Bio:
Robby Booth alongside his wife, Bonita, presently serves the NCO as the director of CSR West. As minister of Pastoral Care directing CSR West, Robby brings care and restoration to pastors, ministers & missionaries of the Foursquare movement. Robby and Bonita have served as senior pastors of Faith Chapel Foursquare Church in Glendale, Ariz. for eleven years. Robby and Bonita later moved to Modesto to serve as district supervisors of the former Western District office of Foursquare churches in January 1995.

Robby received a dual major bachelor's degree in Christian ministries/counseling from Hope University and a master's degree in marriage and family counseling from Azusa Pacific University. Prior to moving to Arizona, he served eleven years on staff at Trinity Christian Center Foursquare Church as the married couples’ pastor. He is CERT, CISM and DRT certified as well as specialties in dealing with trauma and sexual addictions. Ordained in 1979, Robby directed two counseling centers in Southern CA before becoming a senior pastor. With over 80,000 hours of counseling, Robby was initially licensed as a MFCC in 1980, later also becoming a trauma specialist.

“An ordinary guy serving an extraordinary God!” is how Robby would say he wants to be known, loving God and loving people. He is a strong family man with deep love for his wife, Bonita, as well as their three children, Jeremy, Jessica, and Joshua and wonderful grandchildren.

Episode Credits:
Audio Engineer & Editing by AJ Williams
Produced by Chad Garrison
Episode Artwork Photo by Warren on Unsplash

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