Stephani Estes, chief media officer at Goodway Group, believes marketers have a foundational misunderstanding about data, often burning resources on measuring things that don’t actually drive effective decision making. She joined host Mike Berberich on the On Scope podcast to shed light on how marketers can move away from these wasteful measurement efforts. She covered the differences between data, observations, and true insights; unpacked why brave decision making can be a boon to the business over the long-term; and gave some tips for how marketers can better communicate with the C-suite and other departments across the organization.

On “This Week in ANA Magazine,” editor Matthew Schwartz joins the show to highlight a new story on brand redemption, citing recent examples of success stories from Gymshark and Office Beacon.

Are you ready to become a braver marketer? Then you’ll want to join the thousands of marketing leaders and professionals attending the 2025 ANA Masters of Marketing Conference in Orlando, Fla., from October 21 to 24. Check out the agenda and save your spot by visiting www.ana.net/2025masters. Can’t attend in person? Don’t worry, there’s a virtual option, too.

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Ad Age once referred to Scott Brinker as the “Godfather of MarTech.” That reputation is well earned, as Scott has built an entire career on being one of the foremost experts on marketing and technology in the entire industry. On this episode of On Scope, Scott — who serves as VP of platform ecosystem at Hubspot and is the editor of chiefmartec — shared his thoughts on how marketers can get a handle on technology gone wild. Along with host Mike Berberich, Scott covered what he feels are the biggest current challenges with MarTech, how marketers should approach assessing the full stack and selling the investment in necessary tools to a skeptical CFO, and what the acceleration of AI means for marketing technology going forward.

On “Marketing News You Might Have Missed,” is fact checking the next frontier in the AI takeover? One social media giant seems to think so, as it rolls out automated community notes. Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger discussed the potential benefits and repercussions of this new feature, including what AI-powered fact checking might mean for brand reputation.

Your MarTech stack will be worthless without the right datasets and analysis. You can learn how brands are using AI, clean rooms, and first-party data to personalize smarter, protect privacy, and drive real growth by attending the 2025 ANA Masters of Data Conference. Check out the agenda and register by visiting www.ana.net/dataconf25.

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Last year, Stephanie McCarty, CMO at Taylor Morrison, went viral on LinkedIn with a post on her beef with ad agencies. The post struck a chord, with 5,200 likes, 1,111 comments, and 170 reposts. But for Stephanie the screed was more than just her thoughts — it was a reflection of her actions. Fed up with what she dubbed a broken client-agency model, she began building out her team’s in-house capabilities since 2019, developing a full-funnel, in-house media and creative studio by 2024.

On a special bonus episode of On Scope, McCarty went live on LinkedIn with host Mike Berberich to give an inside look at how she accomplished this impressive feat. Along with questions from the audience, Stephanie and Mike discussed the actual process of bringing all marketing capabilities in-house, how she and her team continue to bring in outside perspectives for strategy and creative, and how she was able to get leadership to buy into her bold vision by convincing them it was their idea all along.

The On Scope team would love to hear from you! If you have a topic or guest idea for the show, you can email us at onscope@ana.net.