Are you pouring time, money, and energy into something that just isn’t working? Today we talk about the “dead horse” strategy and why people cling to bad ideas, failing partnerships, underperforming staff, or side hustles that should’ve ended long ago. We share real stories, hard-earned lessons, and practical tools to help you spot the signs early and move on before it costs you big.

On this episode, we discuss:

• (00:00) Intro
• (00:18) What Is the “Dead Horse” Strategy?
• (01:29) Marty’s Real Estate Side Hustle That Distracted the Business
• (03:12) Jase’s Gin Business Detour and the Emotional Cost of Persistence
• (04:33) The Sunk Cost Trap: When You’ve Invested Too Much to Quit
• (06:01) Buying More on the Dip: The Investor’s Version of a Dead Horse
• (06:43) Relationships with Referrers: When the Leads Just Don’t Come
• (08:10) Setting Expectations and Knowing When to Walk Away
• (10:25) Letting Go of Team Members Sooner: Why It’s Crucial for Growth
• (13:14) How Business Maturity Forces Harder, Faster Decisions
• (14:51) Case Study: The Fall of Godfreys and Failure to Pivot
• (17:34) How to Spot a Dead Horse in Business Before It’s Too Late
• (20:23) Don’t Go It Alone: Accountability Buddies and Advisory Boards
• (21:15) Have a Crack—But Know When to Cut Your Losses

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The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.

Hosts:
Nick Reilly
Jason Robinson
Martin Vidakovic

This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.

Adam Sullivan’s incredible rise in business revenue came with some serious financial lessons. Today we dive into Adams financial rollercoaster - how he scaled to $1.5M a month, bought an $11M mansion, and nearly came undone by Division 7A loans, tax traps, and flashy spending. We unpack the real costs of pulling money from your company, how fringe benefits tax can sting, and why financial literacy is essential for every business owner.

On this episode, we discuss:

(00:00) Intro
(00:27) Who is Adam Sullivan? $1.5M a Month Business Story
(02:51) The Trap of Treating Company Money as Personal Money
(04:37) Division 7A Loans Explained Simply
(08:53) Why Business Owners Get Stuck in Dangerous Tax Cycles
(10:19) The Hidden Risk of Pulling Money From Your Company
(11:23) When Using Division 7A Loans Actually Makes Sense
(14:55) The True Cost of Buying a Lamborghini Through Your Business
(16:51) Fringe Benefits Tax (FBT) Explained: What It Could Cost You
(18:29) Why Financial Education Matters for Business Owners
(20:08) Selling the $11M Mansion: How Adam Escaped the Debt Spiral
(22:34) The Dangers of New Money and Lack of Financial Literacy

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The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.

Hosts:
Nick Reilly
Jason Robinson
Martin Vidakovic

This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.

Dreaming of owning a holiday home? Today we break down the true costs, hidden traps, and emotional pull of buying a weekender and why the numbers often don’t stack up. We explore smarter alternatives for lifestyle and wealth building, and share real strategies to enjoy more holidays without the financial stress.

On this episode, we discuss:

(00:00) Intro
(00:35) Why buying a holiday home might not make sense in 2025
(01:55) The emotional appeal vs. the financial reality
(04:30) Life is busier now — who really uses their holiday house?
(09:17) Tax headaches and ATO audit risks for holiday homes
(11:10) New government levies and regulations targeting short-term rentals
(12:59) Holiday Home Numbers Breakdown
(16:38) When buying a holiday home actually makes sense
(17:52) The hidden costs of Airbnb management
(19:14) Simplifying wealth strategies and lifestyle choices
(22:31) Changing work habits and where we choose to live
(23:38) Why consolidating your assets might be the real freedom move

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The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.

Hosts:
Nick Reilly
Jason Robinson
Martin Vidakovic

This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.

HELP debt is now a $80 billion problem for Australia, and it’s only getting bigger. Today we dive into how HECS/HELP debt really works, why it’s impacting borrowing capacity, and whether the system needs a major rethink. From free money myths to the true cost of uni, we unpack the long-term financial consequences and what needs to change.

On this episode, we discuss:

(00:00) Intro
(00:38) What is Australia's $80 billion problem?
(04:05) 7.5% of your income gone to HELP repayments
(05:15) The impact of HELP debt on borrowing capacity
(07:00) Government wipes 20% of HELP debt-fair or not?
(08:10) Is the real issue the cost of education?
(09:00) Are uni campuses over-engineered and overpriced?
(10:40) Should education be delivered inside businesses?
(13:45) A look into homeschooling and self-directed learning
(15:45) The lack of financial education at school
(16:45) Would we make different uni decisions with better money knowledge?
(18:00) What if higher education was actually affordable?
(22:05) How the 20% HELP debt wipe will actually work

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Hosts:
Nick Reilly
Jason Robinson
Martin Vidakovic

This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.

Today we unpack one of Australia’s hottest property topics: negative gearing. We dive into what it actually is, how it works, and why it may not be the game changer many think it is. We also explore some bold new ideas to reform the system, including an interesting proposal to simplify how property profits are taxed.

On this episode, we discuss:

(00:00) Intro
(00:55) Should We Scale Back Negative Gearing?
(02:05) Why Negative Gearing Still Dominates Investor Thinking in Australia
(03:20) How Much It's Costing the Government—and Who Gains
(04:55) The Overlooked Risks of Scrapping Tax Incentives
(06:15) Common Misunderstandings Around Negative Gearing
(08:45) Marty's Pitch for a Simpler, Fairer System
(15:10) Nick's Big Reform Idea
(22:35) Why No Tax Break on Your Home Loan?
(24:30) The Tax Deduction That Can Cost You Later
(26:00) How Gains Shrink Once Depreciation Is Factored In

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The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.

Hosts:
Nick Reilly
Jason Robinson
Martin Vidakovic

This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.

Thinking about financing your next car? We break down the real cost of car loans and why they could be one of the biggest threats to your long-term wealth. We compare the impact of car debt vs. property debt and explore smarter strategies that could save you hundreds of thousands (or even make you millions) in the long run.

On this episode, we discuss:

(00:00) Intro
(00:55) Are Car Loans Destroying Wealth?
(06:29) How Car Loans Reduce Home Buying Power
(09:59) How Holding Onto Car Loans Could Cost You Over $1 Million in Long-Term Property Growth
(12:00) The Shift From Emotional To Strategic Car Buying And Why No-Debt Is His Rule
(15:26) How Branding And Culture Can Push Us Into Over Leveraging On Vehicles
(16:42) Nicks Take On What Retirees Actually Value
(17:37) The Hidden Cost Of Constantly Upgrading Your Car
(19:45) Tips For Smarter Car Buying
(23:40) When Does A Car Loan Make Sense?

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Send us an email: hello@thenumbersgamepodcast.com.au

The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.

Hosts:
Nick Reilly
Jason Robinson
Martin Vidakovic

This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.

What happens if you die without a will? We get into the real-life consequences of not having your estate plan sorted -family fallouts, lost inheritances, and fortunes in limbo. We go through what makes a valid will, how to get one done properly, and why putting one in place now could save your loved ones years of pain later.

On this episode, we discuss:

(00:00) Intro
(00:48) Why Most People Put Off Making a Will
(02:57) A Real-Life Family Fallout Over a Will Change
(06:38) $3M Estate Dwindled Down By Legal Fees
(08:20) What Actually Goes Into a Will?
(10:58) Capital Gains Tax & Inheritance, What Happens with Shares, Property, and Tax When Someone Dies
(13:45) Why a DIY Will Could Cost You Everything
(15:23) Dealing with State Trustees
(17:32) When No Will Could Mean the Wrong Person Gets the Money
(19:05) Life Insurance vs. Will
(21:52) Inheriting Property with a Mortgage: What Happens Next?

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The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.

Hosts:
Nick Reilly
Jason Robinson
Martin Vidakovic

This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.

Are you a hunter or a farmer when it comes to business and sales? In this episode, we break down two sales styles—hunters who chase new deals and farmers who nurture and grow existing clients—and why both are essential for a thriving business. We share real-world examples from accounting, financial planning, and mortgage broking, plus insights on hiring, training, and balancing your team for maximum growth and long-term success.

On this episode, we discuss:

(00:00) Intro
(02:12) Hunters vs. Farmers Explained – The key sales styles that drive business success
(04:37) Are You a Hunter or a Farmer? Nick, Jason, and Marty break down their sales styles
(08:38) Why Every Business Needs Both Hunters & Farmers
(09:05) The Biggest Mistake in Sales Hiring, How choosing the wrong role can hurt your business
(13:15) How Great Farmers Generate Referrals – The power of strong client relationships
(14:35) Can You Train a Hunter to Be a Farmer? The challenge of shifting sales mindsets
(16:21) Why Retaining Clients Is More Profitable Than Finding New Ones
(20:07) The Best Sales Approach for Mortgage Brokers & Accountants
(22:58) How Sales Leaders Build Winning Teams – Role-specific hiring and training strategies
(26:53) The Key to Business Growth: Value-Driven Selling

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Send us an email: hello@thenumbersgamepodcast.com.au

The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.

Hosts:
Nick Reilly
Jason Robinson
Martin Vidakovic

This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.